[quote]vroom wrote:
Let me ask you a question. Why do you think they took the politics section out of the top 30 listing?
Because all this religion is bad for business – that’s why.
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Especially since the forum lacks the proper “Myths, Legends & Fairy Tales” section to put it in.
1 CORINTHIANS 15-58:
“Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.”
[quote]ZEB wrote:
MATTHEW 5-44
“But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.”[/quote]
MATTHEW 5:11
Pwned are ye, when poster shall flame you, and type all manner of evil against you falsely, imho.
JEREMIAH 20:7
O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; …
See? It says you’ve been had right there.
[quote]pookie wrote:
JEREMIAH 20:7
O LORD, thou hast deceived me, and I was deceived; …
See? It says you’ve been had right there.[/quote]
Poor form. There are just as many Christians who are also scientists and doctors as there are people who really want to believe that the world is only 6,000 years old. Your own fault is only engaging in battle with the latter.
That might involve following all of the rules of your religion… not just the ones that support your current fancy.
MATTHEW 5-11:
“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Poor form. There are just as many Christians who are also scientists and doctors as there are people who really want to believe that the world is only 6,000 years old. Your own fault is only engaging in battle with the latter.[/quote]
Engaging in battle? I think you take these forums way too seriously.
First, that there are scientists and doctors who believe doesn’t lend it any more credibility. Medicine does not address theological issues. Scientists believe in God through faith, not science. Scientific evidence for God is still zero. The fact that most kids get the religious spiel inflicted upon them when they’re too young to have developed the proper critical thinking skills makes early indoctrination quite effective, and long lasting.
As I remember it, last time we discussed your faith, it pretty much ended with you following whatever wasn’t too inconvenient for you (as Luke 6:30 appeared to be). When that was pointed out to you, your answer was basically that you’d live your faith your way and whatever issue God might have with it was between you and Him.
A common term for that behavior is “Salad Bar Christian” Take what you like from the Bible and leave the rest. In that way, we are quite similar; I simply leave more than you do.
I don’t mind revisiting the issue if you wish, but if two thirds of your arguments will again be about me playing games and trying to trap you, don’t bother.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Poor form. There are just as many Christians who are also scientists and doctors as there are people who really want to believe that the world is only 6,000 years old. Your own fault is only engaging in battle with the latter.
Engaging in battle? I think you take these forums way too seriously.
First, that there are scientists and dotors who believe doesn’t lend it any more credibility. Medicine does not address theological issues. Scientists believe in God through faith, not science. Scientific evidence for God is still zero. The fact that most kids get the religious spiel inflicted upon them when they’re too young to have developed the proper critical thinking skills makes early indoctrination quite effective, and long lasting.
As I remember it, last time we discussed your faith, it pretty much ended with you following whatever wasn’t too inconvenient for you (as Luke 6:30 appeared to be). When that was pointed out to you, your answer was basically that you’d live your faith your way and whatever issue God might have with it was between you and Him.
A common term for that behavior is “Salad Bar Christian” Take what you like from the Bible and leave the rest. In that way, we are quite similar; I simply leave more than you do.
I don’t mind revisiting the issue if you wish, but if two thirds of your arguments will again be about me playing games and trying to trap you, don’t bother.
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I grew up being taught evolution and the earth is billions of years old. That was what was being called fact. That is what was thrown in my face in the class room. I believed it through junior high school, then after that, I no longer believed it based on my newly acquired “critical thinking”.
I grew up.
[quote]FlyingEmuOfDoom wrote:
pookie wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Poor form. There are just as many Christians who are also scientists and doctors as there are people who really want to believe that the world is only 6,000 years old. Your own fault is only engaging in battle with the latter.
Engaging in battle? I think you take these forums way too seriously.
First, that there are scientists and dotors who believe doesn’t lend it any more credibility. Medicine does not address theological issues. Scientists believe in God through faith, not science. Scientific evidence for God is still zero. The fact that most kids get the religious spiel inflicted upon them when they’re too young to have developed the proper critical thinking skills makes early indoctrination quite effective, and long lasting.
As I remember it, last time we discussed your faith, it pretty much ended with you following whatever wasn’t too inconvenient for you (as Luke 6:30 appeared to be). When that was pointed out to you, your answer was basically that you’d live your faith your way and whatever issue God might have with it was between you and Him.
A common term for that behavior is “Salad Bar Christian” Take what you like from the Bible and leave the rest. In that way, we are quite similar; I simply leave more than you do.
I don’t mind revisiting the issue if you wish, but if two thirds of your arguments will again be about me playing games and trying to trap you, don’t bother.
I grew up being taught evolution and the earth is billions of years old. That was what was being called fact. That is what was thrown in my face in the class room. I believed it through junior high school, then after that, I no longer believed it based on my newly acquired “critical thinking”.
I grew up.
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Funny. Sounds to me like you dumbed down.
Its far easier to believe a myth than to find the real answer.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
MATTHEW 5-11:
“Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.”[/quote]
Wow. Life is pretty tough for poor Zeb. It seems he feels persecuted, insulted and that people are saying evils against him.
You are still trespassing. While electronic, this resource does not belong to you and you are taking part in affecting the viability of the business that does own it.
That would seem wrong to me, at least under the rules of Christianity. Outside of your own rules, you are annoying people for your own pleasure, most likely turning them from religion.
Good job!
1 THESSALONIANS 5-16, 17 & 18:
“Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.”
[quote]ZEB wrote:
1 THESSALONIANS 5-16, 17 & 18:
“Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.”[/quote]
Don’t look know, but you are already starting to run into contradictions…
[quote]FlyingMumuOfDumb wrote:
I grew up being taught evolution and the earth is billions of years old. That was what was being called fact. That is what was thrown in my face in the class room. I believed it through junior high school, then after that, I no longer believed it based on my newly acquired “critical thinking”.
I grew up.[/quote]
Science does not require you to accept anything on faith. You can read the studies, the theories and evaluate all the evidence there is for them. But you don’t do that; you’ve never even tried.
It is obvious from what you post here that you are uneducated and poorly read. Had you taken the time to properly research and understand what was presented to you, you might be able to properly question some of the weaker points of various theories.
Instead, you prefer to claim that both science and religion are “beliefs” only supported by “faith” which is simply retarded. Even when arguing the religious side, you are obviously unable to think by yourself, preferring to simply regurgitate whatever “facts” creationist web sites have told you to believe.
News flash: Those sites will reject theories as soon as 0.01% of the evidence doesn’t fit; ignoring the 99.99% that does. Even if 100% of the evidence fit; they’d still make up “facts” to reject it. They also fail to account for new findings or revisions made to various theories, often repeating hundred year old arguments that have been discredited for years.
It is intellectual dishonesty; especially since the Bible is not held to the same scrutiny, being the “Word of God” and all. Any fact not fitting the Bible must be distorted until it fits. Theories contradicting scripture must be rejected no matter the amount of empirical evidence supporting them.
Science, on the other hand, revises and adjusts its theories around new evidence; and invites criticism. Finding better explanation for physical phenomena is how progress is made. Which method appears honest to you?
1 CORINTHIANS 1-18:
“For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”
You know… if anyone put together a complete tome of one liners, they’d also have sentences that could be twisted and applied to nearly any occasion.
How fun.
[quote]pookie wrote:
First, that there are scientists and doctors who believe doesn’t lend it any more credibility. [/quote]
My goal isn’t to sit here and try to prove anything to you. I am letting you know that belief in scientific findings and belief in God don’t need to be polar opposites like you seem to believe they are.
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Scientists believe in God through faith, not science. Scientific evidence for God is still zero. The fact that most kids get the religious spiel inflicted upon them when they’re too young to have developed the proper critical thinking skills makes early indoctrination quite effective, and long lasting.[/quote]
Any kid being taught that the origins of this universe are known and that there can be no God is at even more of a disadvantage. No kid should be taught to completely ignore science. That is the only thing I agree with you on.
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As I remember it, last time we discussed your faith, it pretty much ended with you following whatever wasn’t too inconvenient for you (as Luke 6:30 appeared to be). When that was pointed out to you, your answer was basically that you’d live your faith your way and whatever issue God might have with it was between you and Him.[/quote]
If you truly believe this, then you didn’t understand a thing. Every Christian doesn’t believe everything in the bible is literal. This was pointed out to you. There are passages based in allegory, not literal meaning. I don’t believe that in six 24hr days, God created the Earth. If you want to argue in an effort to disprove what I believe, you will be wasting your time. This was pointed out to you as well. Your efforts have never been to learn or understand, they have always been to attempt to destroy what I believe. Why do you feel the need to do this?
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A common term for that behavior is “Salad Bar Christian” Take what you like from the Bible and leave the rest. In that way, we are quite similar; I simply leave more than you do.[/quote]
This is lunacy. Half of the Bible can be related to poetry. In fact, it may be one of the greatest works man possesses as it allows even the least mentally acute to understand its meaning. It was not written for computer analysis or to map out the specific circumference of the planet just so that some geeks arguing on the internet thousands of years in the future can discuss whether they knew the earth was round or egg shaped.
All you did in the past was play games. You don’t argue this in order to understand anything. You argue this to tear down what I believe. As long as you approach it this way, you can argue by yourself.
[quote]pookie wrote:
FlyingMumuOfDumb wrote:
I grew up being taught evolution and the earth is billions of years old. That was what was being called fact. That is what was thrown in my face in the class room. I believed it through junior high school, then after that, I no longer believed it based on my newly acquired “critical thinking”.
I grew up.
Science does not require you to accept anything on faith. You can read the studies, the theories and evaluate all the evidence there is for them. But you don’t do that; you’ve never even tried.
It is obvious from what you post here that you are uneducated and poorly read. Had you taken the time to properly research and understand what was presented to you, you might be able to properly question some of the weaker points of various theories.
Instead, you prefer to claim that both science and religion are “beliefs” only supported by “faith” which is simply retarded. Even when arguing the religious side, you are obviously unable to think by yourself, preferring to simply regurgitate whatever “facts” creationist web sites have told you to believe.
News flash: Those sites will reject theories as soon as 0.01% of the evidence doesn’t fit; ignoring the 99.99% that does. Even if 100% of the evidence fit; they’d still make up “facts” to reject it. They also fail to account for new findings or revisions made to various theories, often repeating hundred year old arguments that have been discredited for years.
It is intellectual dishonesty; especially since the Bible is not held to the same scrutiny, being the “Word of God” and all. Any fact not fitting the Bible must be distorted until it fits. Theories contradicting scripture must be rejected no matter the amount of empirical evidence supporting them.
Science, on the other hand, revises and adjusts its theories around new evidence; and invites criticism. Finding better explanation for physical phenomena is how progress is made. Which method appears honest to you?
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Quit telling me what I have read and what I haven’t read.
I have seen both sides. Yes, I do go off of faith. To me, it doesn’t even seem like faith sometimes because when I look at the world around me and when I’m holding my 8 month old daughter, I can see what it’s all about. You go off of faith. Yes, there are scientific methods. Still, macroevolution is NOT FACT and CANNOT be proven, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself or others.
Just looking at everything in life and the universe tells me that there is a God. There is a reason we are here.
I don’t believe something exploded with a “big bang” unless there was a God who made it happen. I don’t believe that it is possible AT ALL for everything on this planet to have come out of a “primordial ooze” and I don’t believe that human beings evolved from “ape men”.
I don’t think you are stupid. I just think that you can’t see what I can. Hopefully you will find God. I hope you do. All in all, I hope everyone who posts here does if they haven’t. All the people who have said angry, hatefull, insulting things about me and the other people who believe in God - I hope the best for all of you and that’s sincere.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Its far easier to believe a myth than to find the real answer.[/quote]
What is the “real answer”? What was the question?
A myth? God is a myth to you? What is evolution?
How would you explain how the complexity of the Monarch Butterfly’s incredible migration abilities happened…Evolution?
I’ll go with God or a “myth” as you would call it.
?Creation is only the projection into form of that which already exists.?
-Bhagavad Gita