[quote]vroom wrote:
I am, whatever I say I am. If I wasn’t then why would I say I am.
Yes, and by that logic, did I mention I can bench 800 lbs?
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Last time I checked you were DL’ing the 400’s. (From a previous post.) You need to work on your imbalance. IMO.
(Trying to get some Tstuff injected here.)
Oops!
[quote]doogie wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
Carbon dating is a myth.
I’m gonna have to ask for a source (not a creationist website, please) for this silliness.[/quote]
Humorous that you would ask for proof and then qualify out the only group that would care enough to go into detail about the lack of evidence for evolution. It just shows your scared of the truth.
Dude, anyone can post up a web site with a bunch of crap on it. It doesn’t mean that experts in that field/theology actually have reached any type of consensus similar to that web site.
When more impartial sources exist, that present the information in a less biased manner, then there is something to realistically talk about, because somebody somewhere, in the entire world, other than a fundamentalist has given it the time of day.
Seriously, reading the tripe that is passed off as criticism of evolution or proof of creationism is simply frustrating to people that have a clue and use their own minds. One look is more than enough…
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
harris447 wrote:
No. Science is not a leap of faith. It is, in fact the OPPOSITE of a leap of faith. Fossils, carbon dating, etc. These are not articles of faith. They are things that can be proven or disproven.
To further show you to be an incredibly thick moron, were you around 200 and something years ago? No. Then how do you know that the American Revolution took place? Do you believe in it based on faith?
Jackass.
Bones left in the ground can fossilize rather quickly.
Carbon dating is a myth.
On faith, I believe our history books since I was not around 200 years ago for the American revolution.
Boy harry, you are quite dumb to believe everything people tell you. Do your homework…you might actually learn something.
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You no longer have any credibility whatsoever.
Job 38:2-6 & 14
The LORD Speaks:
"Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?
Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me.
Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone-
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.
Isaiah 44-24, 25:
This is what the LORD says- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb:
I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.
Who foils the signs of false prophets and makes fools of diviners, who overthrows the learning of the wise and turns it into nonsense."
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Job 38:2-6 & 14
The LORD Speaks:
"Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?
Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me.
Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone-
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.
Isaiah 44-24, 25:
This is what the LORD says- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb:
I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.
Who foils the signs of false prophets and makes fools of diviners, who overthrows the learning of the wise and turns it into nonsense."
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Could you please quote your bible in church? We were having an intelligent discussion.
[quote]On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone-
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.
…
I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself. [/quote]
Well, there you go, apparently the Earth is flat! Or perhaps the meaning of footings and a cornerstone are supposed to be interpreted?
OH MY GOD! But if we have to interpret even that, where do we stop?
We don’t.
Yaba-daba-doo!
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Job 38:2-6 & 14
The LORD Speaks:
"Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?
Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me.
Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone-
The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.
Isaiah 44-24, 25:
This is what the LORD says- your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb:
I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself.
Who foils the signs of false prophets and makes fools of diviners, who overthrows the learning of the wise and turns it into nonsense."
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Is that the Lord’s version of “Shut The Fuck Up?”
Anybody who believes or doesn’t believe in God, if you want to, check out this link. Click on “WATCH” on any of these topics. This guy is one of my favorite speakers.
Even if you don’t believe in God or the Bible or whatever, it is very interesting.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
harris447 wrote:
No. Science is not a leap of faith. It is, in fact the OPPOSITE of a leap of faith. Fossils, carbon dating, etc. These are not articles of faith. They are things that can be proven or disproven.
To further show you to be an incredibly thick moron, were you around 200 and something years ago? No. Then how do you know that the American Revolution took place? Do you believe in it based on faith?
Jackass.
Bones left in the ground can fossilize rather quickly.
Carbon dating is a myth.
On faith, I believe our history books since I was not around 200 years ago for the American revolution.
Boy harry, you are quite dumb to believe everything people tell you. Do your homework…you might actually learn something.
You no longer have any credibility whatsoever.
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Hmmm. You are qualified to make that decision? I think not.
It is God who sits above the circle of the earth…
Isaiah 40:22 (700 BC)
Yeah, a circle is a step in the right direction, but it still isn’t a sphere.
If you made the damned thing, would you really have to dumb it down from an orb or sphere to a circle or flat plane. I think people could have imagined an orb, since they were busy eating orb shaped apples from the dawn of time.
That’s just showing the limitations of thinking in man at the time, nothing else.
[quote]terribleivan wrote:
harris447 wrote:
terribleivan wrote:
harris447 wrote:
No. Science is not a leap of faith. It is, in fact the OPPOSITE of a leap of faith. Fossils, carbon dating, etc. These are not articles of faith. They are things that can be proven or disproven.
To further show you to be an incredibly thick moron, were you around 200 and something years ago? No. Then how do you know that the American Revolution took place? Do you believe in it based on faith?
Jackass.
Bones left in the ground can fossilize rather quickly.
Carbon dating is a myth.
On faith, I believe our history books since I was not around 200 years ago for the American revolution.
Boy harry, you are quite dumb to believe everything people tell you. Do your homework…you might actually learn something.
You no longer have any credibility whatsoever.
Hmmm. You are qualified to make that decision? I think not.[/quote]
Yeah, I am. Seeing as how you’re the lackwit who said that carbon dating was a myth, it can be clearly stated that you are not bright.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Yeah, a circle is a step in the right direction, but it still isn’t a sphere.
If you made the damned thing, would you really have to dumb it down from an orb or sphere to a circle or flat plane. I think people could have imagined an orb, since they were busy eating orb shaped apples from the dawn of time.
That’s just showing the limitations of thinking in man at the time, nothing else.[/quote]
not really. It shows a limitation on the language. There is no Hebrew word for sphere that existed at the time.
I am sure they were familiar with the concept since there are plenty of sphere like objects they dealt with on a day to day basis.
[quote]haney wrote:
vroom wrote:
Yeah, a circle is a step in the right direction, but it still isn’t a sphere.
If you made the damned thing, would you really have to dumb it down from an orb or sphere to a circle or flat plane. I think people could have imagined an orb, since they were busy eating orb shaped apples from the dawn of time.
That’s just showing the limitations of thinking in man at the time, nothing else.
not really. It shows a limitation on the language. There is no Hebrew word for sphere that existed at the time.
I am sure they were familiar with the concept since there are plenty of sphere like objects they dealt with on a day to day basis.
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They could have used a metaphore, like “apple shaped”, or the like.
Maybe Gonad shaped.
[quote]miniross wrote:
haney wrote:
vroom wrote:
Yeah, a circle is a step in the right direction, but it still isn’t a sphere.
If you made the damned thing, would you really have to dumb it down from an orb or sphere to a circle or flat plane. I think people could have imagined an orb, since they were busy eating orb shaped apples from the dawn of time.
That’s just showing the limitations of thinking in man at the time, nothing else.
not really. It shows a limitation on the language. There is no Hebrew word for sphere that existed at the time.
I am sure they were familiar with the concept since there are plenty of sphere like objects they dealt with on a day to day basis.
They could have used a metaphore, like “apple shaped”, or the like.
Maybe Gonad shaped.
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lets try it.
It is God who sits on the gonad shaped earth!
as much as Ilike the sound of it, I don’t think it is a fit either.
Haney,
I would suggest that if there wasn’t even a word for sphere, that you are in fact arguing for interpretation.
If the word of the Bible is going to be so imprecise, I fail to believe it is because God couldn’t conceive of the need for a word meaning “sphere”.
If the words didn’t even exist to represent reality, then it’s pretty freaking hard to justify a claim that the scriptures represent reality.
That would make it allegorical. Meant for interpretation by the evolving knowledge and wisdom of man. Strange how that works.
On a totally different note, I am so sick of people throwing around religion and scripture quotes as if that actually proves or means anything.
For fuck sakes, can we get back to arguing about politics already?
[quote]vroom wrote:
Haney,
I would suggest that if there wasn’t even a word for sphere, that you are in fact arguing for interpretation.
If the word of the Bible is going to be so imprecise, I fail to believe it is because God couldn’t conceive of the need for a word meaning “sphere”.
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I guess Isaiah could have just created the word, and told everyone hey this is what it means. Sounds practical when conveying a message to a specific people.
I don’t think that is meant to be a scientific scripture. It is meant to portray God as above all of the earth. It is brought in a way that uses the knowledge that they have of their surroundings. I don’t think Isaiah was really concerned about the science part of it as much as he was concerned with the God part of it. I also think that you are using a rather unfair standard for a language.
no that would make it you judging an ancient society by what you tihnk is acceptable.
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On a totally different note, I am so sick of people throwing around religion and scripture quotes as if that actually proves or means anything.
For fuck sakes, can we get back to arguing about politics already?[/quote]
I didn’t throw anything around. I merely tried to give you some information on why it might not match up to our word “sphere”.
