[quote]juninho wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
juninho wrote:
steveo5801 wrote:
Imbrondir wrote:
I talked to a jehovas wit… um, i mean a friend told me how a friend of his talked to a jehovas witness (who besides being utterly annoying, usually knows alot of the bible). I… um, he asked him how he could believe in a god, with so crystal clear propaganda, that you’ll either go to paradise or burn in hell.
It turns out that neither hell nor satan is really mentioned in the bible (It is a belif that survived from older religion through a latin and a hard to read bible). And the closest verse about the unbeliever in afterlife says something like:
“… and he who won’t believe shall not see, not feel, nor know that he is dead”
Basicly what an atheist believes happens in “afterlife”. Can anybody prove me wrong, and show a verse reciting hell or satan?
How many do you wish? Here are a couple:
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"Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh! Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire." Matthew 18:7-9
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:14-15
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hella delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." Revelation 20:1-15 [/b]
There are many many others that you can look up yourslef. The Bible teaches about Satan and hell very clearly. It also teaches that if you don’t come to Christ before you die, it is too late.
Hell awaits all who don’t take the free gift of salvation but eternal life awaits those who do. Pretty simple when it comes down to it, I think.
But what about this quote? It seems to back up the original poster and contradict yours:
“turn off thy mind, relax and float down stream, it is not dying.
Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void, it is shining, it is shining.
That you may see the meaning from within, it is being.”
Rev, 14:1-3.
Nice made up verse, but unfortunately not only is it not Rev. 14:1-3, but this is nowhere in the Bible.
The Bible says…Bow or Burn and Rev. 22:18 says not to make things up or we will be even more accountable!
Busted! Actually, the ‘rev’ in this case stands for ‘Revolver’ - the Beatles album, track 14, (I think), lines 1-3. ‘Tomorrow Never Knows’/.
Who knows though, maybe in 2000 years time Lennon truely will be “bigger than Jesus”, and fire-brand Scousers may be arguing over the true meaning of his words on internet forums like this.
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Right. I prove you absolutely wrong by giving you clear verses in the Bible as you asked, and you come back with statements that sound like you are a moron. Now, to be clear, I am not calling you a moron, but only that your last post is consistent with what one would expect from a moron.
Bow or Burn – it is what the Bible teaches!