[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
C_C, I read an interview with Sergio Oliva claiming that the measurements in the Weider publications were inflated. He said that when Arthur Jones measured Arnold’s arms, they were about 19.75" cold and Oliva’s were 20.5". Now, whether or not Sergio is a reliable source, that agrees with common sense; about 19"/20" cold and 21" pumped.
I don’t know what this thread is about any more, so I don’t think I’m going to comment on the picture.[/quote]
Well it was about a Happy skinny kid with big arms, but now its all over the place.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Bit surprised that any of this needs explaining on here… Come on people…
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It doesn’t surprise me. These are the same people who can watch a video of Herschel Walker and then see a picture of him that has been distorted yet NOT see the difference between the two until others point it out.
I am only guessing that these are the same people with the “my space angles” on their personal photos (if they have any at all). People like that are apparently very new to the concept that how something looks can depend on the angle the picture was taken, the lighting and any touch ups done post-development.
The youtube generation…thinking things through is not a strong point.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
C_C, I read an interview with Sergio Oliva claiming that the measurements in the Weider publications were inflated. He said that when Arthur Jones measured Arnold’s arms, they were about 19.75" cold and Oliva’s were 20.5". Now, whether or not Sergio is a reliable source, that agrees with common sense; about 19"/20" cold and 21" pumped.
I don’t know what this thread is about any more, so I don’t think I’m going to comment on the picture.[/quote]
A 21" arm in CONTEST CONDITION, is truly massive (mind you, you mostly only see these guys with some kind of pump as no one goes onto a bodybuilding stage COLD). Ronnie Coleman claimed 23" arms and there is no way Arnold’s, at about 50-60lbs less and 2-3 inches taller, were bigger or near the same size. Arnold did have a great peak which made his arm look even bigger in front double biceps shots.
I am not going to argue who really measured what because some of this stuff even depends on WHO measured them and WHEN they were measured during the course of their career and training.
Can’t really tell if you’re disagreeing with me, but my point was that 19" cold and 21" pumped sounded about right, rather than the 23" which was mentioned earlier.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
Can’t really tell if you’re disagreeing with me, but my point was that 19" cold and 21" pumped sounded about right, rather than the 23" which was mentioned earlier.[/quote]
Yeah I’m about a 17 cold, And these are some big boys a cut up 19 would be a monster of an arm.
[quote]Rational Gaze wrote:
Can’t really tell if you’re disagreeing with me, but my point was that 19" cold and 21" pumped sounded about right, rather than the 23" which was mentioned earlier.[/quote]
Yeah I’m about a 17 cold, And these are some big boys a cut up 19 would be a monster of an arm.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am only guessing that these are the same people with the “my space angles” on their personal photos (if they have any at all). [/quote]
LMAO! No! NO! You have it wrong— people who us “MySpace” cropping are HUGE!
[quote]Justscrap wrote:
I am assuming that he is on roids or has great genetics.[/quote]
17" arms now mean “great genetics”???
Really?
Wait, do most of you here think a 17" arm is out of reach for you?[/quote]
I was reffering to the fact that he could stay pretty lean despite a shitty diet and half-assing it in the gym. The situation’s arm and size in general decent compared to the average individual. A friend of mine who saw him make a guest appearance at a club said my biceps looked bigger but I have no clue what my arm measurents are or how accurate her drunken observation was.
Wow you guys really like picking eathother appart…I thought this thread was going to be about makin fun of the situation. Maybe discussing how J-wow looks like a used up dirty whore who needs a good face spacklin’ with a big batch of the hand-made-man-made-mayonaaaise ect ect. Why is this fuggin guy above bringing any talk of guys like Ahhnold or Ronnie?? LOL. I’ve seen him in person his neck is very small and thin in proportion to the rest of this body and his arms are not retardedly large but they are def a strongpoint in his body, basically that and his abs which imo look pretty damn good. But he was a total dickhead on the show.
[quote]Justscrap wrote:
I am assuming that he is on roids or has great genetics.[/quote]
17" arms now mean “great genetics”???
Really?
Wait, do most of you here think a 17" arm is out of reach for you?[/quote]
lol. that’s nutty. i love this forum. i never measured my arm until this year and its 18.5 cold. i think 20" is a good area to shoot for but i know some kickass 18" calves would be super nice. 1.5" left to go for those.
[quote]WideGuy wrote:
Wow you guys really like picking eathother appart…I thought this thread was going to be about makin fun of the situation. Maybe discussing how J-wow looks like a used up dirty whore who needs a good face spacklin’ with a big batch of the hand-made-man-made-mayonaaaise ect ect. Why is this fuggin guy above bringing any talk of guys like Ahhnold or Ronnie?? LOL. I’ve seen him in person his neck is very small and thin in proportion to the rest of this body and his arms are not retardedly large but they are def a strongpoint in his body, basically that and his abs which imo look pretty damn good. But he was a total dickhead on the show.[/quote]
I’m with you on all points.
I just don’t see what all the to-do is about with this dude. I’m at about the same height and weight, similar proportions, and sure as hell ain’t worth a raging thread about.
[quote]Hav27 wrote:
It’s not being a hater, the guy is a fucking loser. Almost 30 hitting on teenagers. It’s this crowd such as you who thinks its cool to idolize him and others on the show. They’re an embarrassment to Italians, and humans alike. Kids watch the show, and idolize this shitty behavior. You want your kid to think he’s cool? Emulate him? It’s pathetic that in America idiots go on tv, act like idiots and then get a fat paycheck for making appearances. I mean the girls he picks up… are they hot? Sure some of them. But they’re trash whore dirty italians, if that’s what your into eh go for it. I’d rather aim high and bring home a quality girl to my mother.
Does he have big arms? Ya sure. If I cycled some androl, and did preachers all day I’d be just like him! Better yet thanks to that show, I’m sure plenty of kids are going to start doing so. [/quote]
I never said I idolized him. I think he’s entertaining and just doing what he wants to do. I give him kudos for that. If a 28 year old wants to hit on and bang 19 year olds, so be it. That’s between the 2 of them.
Are you really taking the stance that he’s a bad example for kids? He’s on a fuckin reality MTV show. That’s not exactly the place to tell your kids to tune into for role models. You sound like a housewife with the “let’s think of the children” BS. I’m sure there’s worse shit for them to emulate on cable tv if that’s your argument. Are you gonna rant about how it’d be easy to kick Tiger Woods ass next?
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I’m with Sam. How the fuck you got “idolize” out of his post is beyond me, unless you have the reading comprehension of a 3rd grader, which is entirely possible I suppose…
It’s not being a hater, the guy is a fucking loser. Almost 30 hitting on teenagers. It’s this crowd such as you who thinks its cool to idolize him and others on the show. They’re an embarrassment to Italians, and humans alike. Kids watch the show, and idolize this shitty behavior. You want your kid to think he’s cool? Emulate him? It’s pathetic that in America idiots go on tv, act like idiots and then get a fat paycheck for making appearances. I mean the girls he picks up… are they hot? Sure some of them. But they’re trash whore dirty italians, if that’s what your into eh go for it. I’d rather aim high and bring home a quality girl to my mother.
Does he have big arms? Ya sure. If I cycled some androl, and did preachers all day I’d be just like him! Better yet thanks to that show, I’m sure plenty of kids are going to start doing so. [/quote]
Wait…so you STILL don’t have arms as big as that?..and you blame this on not doing ‘androl’ and preacher curls all day??
So, if we held a huge T-Forum get-together…there would only be a handful of people there muscular enough to hand out the programs without tipping over?
The only thing worse than is those who are level 4 or higher yet don’t look like they lift.
If I was getting NOTHING from spending hundreds of bucks a month I would find a new hobby.
[quote]Dzle wrote:
I certainly feel insecure about my 17" arms after this thread… even though I came from 140lb and 12.5" arms 2 and a half years ago.[/quote]
[quote]Dzle wrote:
I certainly feel insecure about my 17" arms after this thread… even though I came from 140lb and 12.5" arms 2 and a half years ago.[/quote]
Sounds like you made progress nearly as fast as humanly possible in terms of arm-size though…
No worries. Will slow down, but if you’ve made it from 12.5 to 17 in 2.5 years, you’ll probably make it to 20 in the next 2-3 years if you keep at it.
[quote]Dzle wrote:
I certainly feel insecure about my 17" arms after this thread… even though I came from 140lb and 12.5" arms 2 and a half years ago.[/quote]
Don’t.
First off, that’s excellent progress. Outstanding, even.
Second, unless pics are provided, you can pretty safely take about 2-3 inches off of several of the arm measurement claims you’re seeing here. It’s pretty funny seeing numbers like 19" and 20" getting thrown around like they’re insignificant. Maybe I’ve been going to the wrong gyms my whole life but I haven’t seen THAT many guys walking in with lean >19" arms.
There was a thread awhile back about IQ, and the overwhelming majority of respondees claimed 135+, which is found in something like 1% of the population. It got me thinking…massive arms, genius-level IQs, fast cars, huge penises…T-Nation is a big congregation of WIN!
