[quote]ThreePac wrote:
Even if Sean did really hit that girl and she did nothing to cause it, he should not immediately and forever be labeled as a “scumbag”. I don’t feel it’s fair to judge someone so harshly based on one mistake in life. I’m seventeen, and when I was fourteen I went too far with a girl, making excessive unwanted advances, and that was a pretty crumby thing to do. However I don’t believe I should be considered a bad person now because of that one mistake I made. [/quote]
Holy shit. And just because O.J. killed that bitch, that don’t mean he’s a murderer. And just 'cause Michael Jackson fucks them kids, that don’t mean he’s a pedophile.
But I find it hard to believe that some people on this forum thing it is okay to hit women. It does not matter if you though she was a “whore, groupie, asking for it, deserved it, etc”. It is not all right.
Although rare, there are certain circumstances in which women should be hit. This never applies in the vein of the “You already told that bitch twice” vein. However, by saying that women could never do any damage in a fight is sexist, ignorant, and just plain wrong. If there are any bouncers out there, they can back me up here. Talk to a bouncer, I’d be willing to lay odds that he has had to break up barfights in which most or all of the combatants were women. He’ll probably also tell you that those are some of the most intense altercations he’s ever been in. I have several friends who haved had this experience. Invariably, they begin trying to treat the women gently and get their asses kicked for awhile until they really start fighting. A pissed off woman in a fight is much more of a handful than you it’s-never-right-to-hit-a-girl-unless-she’s-got-a-gun-to-your-head,-and-lighting-you-on-fire,-and-running-you-over-in-her-car-all-at-the-same-time type guys would ever give her credit for. Any time you resign yourself to absolutes or sell a potential enemy short, you are setting yourself up for a fall regardless of whom you are fighting.
Gender isn’t the issue. It’s a matter of being a civilised and together individual.
Anyone, regardless of gender, who resorts to violence deserves the same in return. You shouldn’t go around instigating any kind of violence BUT you should always be prepared to respond in kind if you have to.
Anyone who hits me is going to get hit back. Simple action and reaction.
But the point still must be made. Even if Sean did really hit that girl and she did nothing to cause it, he should not immediately and forever be labeled as a “scumbag”.
Wrong. He would then be a scumbag. Maybe, if he changed his ways and learned not to be such an asshole in the future, he’d be lucky enough that some people would stop judging him from that action. Maybe not. Like it or not your actions define you.
Women do not deserve to get hit because they are the only woman in a group, because they are prostitutes, because they are mouthy or any other moronic reason cited in the thread above. It may happen in your neck of the woods, but that doesn’t mean that it should.
[quote]spiderman739 wrote:
Gender isn’t the issue. It’s a matter of being a civilised and together individual.
Anyone, regardless of gender, who resorts to violence deserves the same in return. You shouldn’t go around instigating any kind of violence BUT you should always be prepared to respond in kind if you have to.
Anyone who hits me is going to get hit back. Simple action and reaction.[/quote]
I second that all the way. Agression is aggression, whoever the vector is. Hate bounces.
As for the clip, well, until its before the courts, its free for all. Just by the length of the clip, anything out of context could be said and potentially be true.
I say let the courts decide. The process gives a far better chance of finding the truth behind the clip than anyone`s fragment of the whole picture.
(Geez, we all look like a bunch of teenagers arguing.)
Well from the little I saw in the clip, it doesnt look like a punch, if he really wanted to hurt the girl she’d probably be on the floor. Also some of the guys are laughing, & the pony tail lady (or it could be a guy)so to me it looks like they may have been joking around.
If they werent joking around, either that lady(or man w/ pony tail) is really short, or sitting. I doubt she couldve kicked him hard in the balls from a sitting position.
My mom was a cop in a big city, and let me tell you - some of the ladies were much more aggresive then the males. Many of them would pull this “I can hit a cop cause im a female, and if I hit a male cop they arent allowed to hit me back” The male cops were scared sh!tless that females they were arresting would file assualt, or worse, sexual assualt charges on them if they even cuffed them. My mom would always handle the females when they still had partners, and lots of them would try to kick her in the balls (but she didnt have any so it didnt really work). These women thought they could overpower my mom too (she was pretty small, 5’4 120lbs) luckily, she was one of the stronger people on the force, with a ton of tricks up her sleeve.
But we’re also talking close to scum of the earth here too that did this. Not all females she arrested would pull this junk. I dont think men should hit women(and I dont think women should hit men either!), and I’m not trying to get that point across. What I’m trying to say is, some women can and will use this ‘you can touch me’ bull to manipulate people.
I agree with the notion that some women are nothing to scoff at. I don’t know if it’s so much from underestimating their strength as it is from the fact that they tend to be more brutal and don’t seem to subscribe to any code as far as what one should and shouldn’t do to their adversary during a fight. While men generally won’t try to kick another guy in the balls, gouge another man’s eyes out, pull hair, pinch, bite or scratch; some women have absolutely no qualms about doing such things.
So you’re right, breaking fighting women apart is something to take seriously. But with the above in mind, it is possible to do so without having to resort to punching and knocking them out, or throwing them through a window.
Anyway, I agree, this thread has outlived its usefulness. I say we let it die.
It seems like there are two issues being debated on this thread.
Hitting a woman. There are definitely instances when it’s ok to hit a woman. Anyone who says it’s not lives in an antiquated, unrealistic world. If you have ever had your life threatened by a woman, you might change your stance. Or if you are in a peace-keeping or law enforcing situation, you will definitely find instances when women need to be hit.
Jay-Z is scum. It seems that most people that have negatively described Jay-Z are judging him by his lyrics or rap lyrics in general. I don’t think I would be too far off by saying that most of the people doing this don’t like rap music. That’s just ignorant to judge someone by their lyrics. That’s like me saying that I don’t like Jack Nicholson because he tried to kill Batman. Idiotic.
Even worse, it looks like some are comdemning based solely on race. Those that are doing that are pure garbage.