[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Here’s a reason to like them
I don’t think how people treat those who they consider their equal is truly indicative of how open-minded they are.[/quote]
Implying that if the young woman trapped between the train and platform had been white, or black, or perhaps Indian, the Japanese would not have moved that train car with their bare hands to save her?
Who is closed-minded, again?
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Here’s a reason to like them
I don’t think how people treat those who they consider their equal is truly indicative of how open-minded they are.[/quote]
Careful you are not using my anecdotal accounts of cultural bigotry and sometimes excusable ignorance as an excuse, yourself, to engage in the same. Because it seems to me like that’s what you are moving toward here. Condemn the action, not the people.
I freely admit that I am biased against Japanese people who live on Japan.
It bothers me that they never actually apologized for the shit they did to Koreans during the colonial period and during WW2.
[quote]magick wrote:
I freely admit that I am biased against Japanese people who live on Japan.
It bothers me that they never actually apologized for the shit they did to Koreans during the colonial period and during WW2.[/quote]
But, but, but… but, but the bomb…
Like BarbaraAnn really.
I can understand why there is little room for a nuanced public narrative, we have the same here, just in reverse.
I dont think you can convince a whole people that they actually deserved Hiroshima as far as collectives deserve anything.
Every admission of guilt inches them a bit closer to that.
[quote]magick wrote:
I freely admit that I am biased against Japanese people who live on Japan.
It bothers me that they never actually apologized for the shit they did to Koreans during the colonial period and during WW2.[/quote]
Well, it’s going to be a bit of an issue getting “them” to apologize for the shit that “they” did to the Koreans between 1910 and 1945, because almost all of “them” are now dead, if you’re talking about the actual responsible parties.
If you’re talking about the Japanese government not making an official apology to the Korean comfort ladies or whatever, then specify that that’s what you’re talking about.
If you’re saying that you are biased against every Japanese person currently living on the archipelago for the actions of the now-dissolved military government over seventy years ago, then I think you are a very silly person indeed.
Do you imagine that all 125 million of the Japanese should go outside, stand on their rooftops facing Seoul and Pyongyang, bow deeply and yell “gomen nasai!” In unison? Would that make it okay?
Out of curiosity, when was the last time you apologized to a Japanese-American for the Roosevelt administration locking their families up in 1941?
Also curious: are you as indignant about the Turkish massacre of the Armenians in 1910? If so, is your hatred of modern Turkey fueled by the fact that the Turks have never apologized for their actions? Or do you even give a shit? I’m guessing you don’t.
You’re Korean, aren’t you?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]magick wrote:
I freely admit that I am biased against Japanese people who live on Japan.
It bothers me that they never actually apologized for the shit they did to Koreans during the colonial period and during WW2.[/quote]
But, but, but… but, but the bomb…
Like BarbaraAnn really.
I can understand why there is little room for a nuanced public narrative, we have the same here, just in reverse.
I dont think you can convince a whole people that they actually deserved Hiroshima as far as collectives deserve anything.
Every admission of guilt inches them a bit closer to that.
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This is a damn good point that I’ve never connected in this manner. There is NO WAY you are going to EVER get the Japanese to admit they deserved those bombs. Hell no.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Do you imagine that all 125 million of the Japanese should go outside, stand on their rooftops facing Seoul and Pyongyang, bow deeply and yell “gomen nasai!” In unison? Would that make it okay?
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Literally LOLed.[/quote]
Because you can see this in your mind’s eye as clearly as I can.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Funny, I was just about to answer this, but got sidetracked writing an email to Cortes.
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So, are you coming back or what?[/quote]
Hey, I’m back on T-Nation, aren’t I? That should be good enough for now.
Patience, my friend. All things will happen in the order that they must.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Well, it’s going to be a bit of an issue getting “them” to apologize for the shit that “they” did to the Koreans between 1910 and 1945, because almost all of “them” are now dead, if you’re talking about the actual responsible parties.[/quote]
Yes. It would have been great if Japan actually apologized for the atrocities they committed while responsible people were still alive. But they’re not.
But maybe their descendants can finally take it up and formally apologize, ya?
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
If you’re saying that you are biased against every Japanese person currently living on the archipelago for the actions of the now-dissolved military government over seventy years ago, then I think you are a very silly person indeed.[/quote]
I am a very silly person! That’s what happens when you tend to generalize about an entire nation of people and hold descendants responsible for atrocities committed by their ancestors!
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Do you imagine that all 125 million of the Japanese should go outside, stand on their rooftops facing Seoul and Pyongyang, bow deeply and yell “gomen nasai!” In unison? Would that make it okay?[/quote]
Yes. That would. Any apology from the government would suffice for me, really. If the entire country did it, then I’d be weeping with joy.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Out of curiosity, when was the last time you apologized to a Japanese-American for the Roosevelt administration locking their families up in 1941?
Also curious: are you as indignant about the Turkish massacre of the Armenians in 1910? If so, is your hatred of modern Turkey fueled by the fact that the Turks have never apologized for their actions? Or do you even give a shit? I’m guessing you don’t.
You’re Korean, aren’t you?[/quote]
The internment camps are not relevant to me since my family didn’t live in the U.S. during that time. Oh, btw, the U.S. government formally apologized for being racist pricks.
I don’t give a shit about the Turkish genocide of the Armenians. But I ask you this question- Am I allowed to be angry about a particular atrocity only if I am angry about every other atrocity committed in history?
I am a naturalized U.S. citizen who was born in S. Korea.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]magick wrote:
I freely admit that I am biased against Japanese people who live on Japan.
It bothers me that they never actually apologized for the shit they did to Koreans during the colonial period and during WW2.[/quote]
But, but, but… but, but the bomb…
Like BarbaraAnn really.
I can understand why there is little room for a nuanced public narrative, we have the same here, just in reverse.
I dont think you can convince a whole people that they actually deserved Hiroshima as far as collectives deserve anything.
Every admission of guilt inches them a bit closer to that.
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Interesting point, O.[/quote]
Same here, you will not get a public discussion that maybe WWII had reasons that went beyond the inherent evilness of the evil, evil, evilness of German nationalism because, because, because the Holocaust.
Those are defining moments with a quasi religious set of taboos and ideas built around them and you are not allowed to nibble even a bit at the outskirts because in a very fundamental way it defines who we are.
Cotes, just a question.
Is your wife incredibly cute to have such a cutiepie for a child or did you help with the matter? Mym mum took a look and she was all over it. BAAAWWW
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Quick Goggle = Japan approves child abduction treaty
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Thanks Chushin.
This is welcome news, though this part gets my eyebrows arching:
“The new law to be passed in Japan will permit parents to refuse to return children if abuse or domestic violence is feared, a caveat that campaigners recognise as essential but fear may be exploited as a loophole.”
*edited quote snafu[/quote]
A welcome step. But will they “go all the way?”
"Politicians in the Upper House of parliament approved a bill that will pave the way for Japan to join the 1980 Hague Convention on the Civil Aspects of International Child Abduction by March next year.
The foreign ministry plans to …
The new law to be passed…"
My knowledge of Japanese bill–>law process is limited…what are the chances it’ll actually become a law and the things they are talking about will occur?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]magick wrote:
I freely admit that I am biased against Japanese people who live on Japan.
It bothers me that they never actually apologized for the shit they did to Koreans during the colonial period and during WW2.[/quote]
But, but, but… but, but the bomb…
Like BarbaraAnn really.
I can understand why there is little room for a nuanced public narrative, we have the same here, just in reverse.
I dont think you can convince a whole people that they actually deserved Hiroshima as far as collectives deserve anything.
Every admission of guilt inches them a bit closer to that.
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Interesting point, O.[/quote]
Same here, you will not get a public discussion that maybe WWII had reasons that went beyond the inherent evilness of the evil, evil, evilness of German nationalism because, because, because the Holocaust.
Those are defining moments with a quasi religious set of taboos and ideas built around them and you are not allowed to nibble even a bit at the outskirts because in a very fundamental way it defines who we are. [/quote]
Not so sure they are the same.
Such reasons may “explain” (excuse?) a lot, but nothing justifies cooking 100% civilians in ovens. What could the rationale be for that?
Or am I missing your point?[/quote]
The point is that Hitlers rise had reasons, that a lot of his programms were a direct result of the terms of a peace treaty that was practically dictated to Germany and that his work programms at least restored some hope to a people that watched a parliament make itself obsolete by ultra partisan pickering.
All of this is irrelevant because Holocaust.
There is a reason why Irving was never really prosecuted in Austria.
We are literally not equipped to do that, because it would destroy the narrative.
The Holocaust around here is a myth, not in that it did not happen, but in how it is used to construct social taboos and to shape the story of who we are.
And I mean taboo too, it literally cannot be touched.