Why did god put the tree to tempt Adam and Eve? It’s like giving the keys to the Bentley and saying don’t drive it. Why din’t god protect his precious children from the snake when it entered the garden?[/quote]
It’s called “free will”. If God had removed everything that was tempting then man could not have exercised his free will to sin. If man had loved God more than his own desire to disobey then there would have been no fall.
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do you seriously believe in that?
few questions: do you believe that god is almighty?
do you believe that god can do things that people can not understand, or not even imagine?
then why do you claim he cannot create free will without the option to do evil?
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I never understood how someone can believe in something as illogical as christianity, or any organized religion really.[/quote]
And I’ve never understood how people can believe that random gases, cosmic events, and evolution has allowed the earth and people and things on it to flourish in perfect distance between the sun and the moon. If none of this was created perfectly for us, earth and the life that is on it was the greatest accident in the history of existence. Just think about no earth, no sun, no moon and try to figure out where this all came about. I think it’s actually illogical to think it was “scientific” and not God-made.[/quote]
I’m assuming you don’t know a whole lot about science. And even if you claim you do, i’m still not going to believe you.
The simple fact that you reject all of science is scary. Though I assume that you would jump at the chance to learn new methods of gaining muscle, so you are just choosy about which science methods you ignore.
[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:
Doesn’t he love us? Isnt God our “father”? If so, why would he let us burn in hell for eternity?[/quote]
“He” doesn’t “you” make that choice. If you are my son and I tell you not to keep driving your car in one particular direction because there is a 400 foot cliff there, and you do it anyway and die, does that mean that I didn’t love you? Or does it mean that I did love you and tried to warn you? But you being who you are decided to exercise your free will and make the wrong decision.
This is an atheist myth, more or less. The Romans had things well under control. They didn’t need a God to put fear in the hearts of people they had all kinds of devices to do that. But I’m sure you’re well aware of that. They had complete and total control.
The first question that I would have to ask anyone who truly feels this way is this: who was Jesus Christ? Once we get beyond that then things begin to make more sense.
Why did god put the tree to tempt Adam and Eve? It’s like giving the keys to the Bentley and saying don’t drive it. Why din’t god protect his precious children from the snake when it entered the garden?[/quote]
It’s called “free will”. If God had removed everything that was tempting then man could not have exercised his free will to sin. If man had loved God more than his own desire to disobey then there would have been no fall.
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do you seriously believe in that?[/quote]
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Then it wouldn’t be free will would it? We would be no better than preprogrammed biological robots.
If we choose to accept Jesus Christ, and worship God we do so with complete and total free will. This is the only way that it has real meaning.
[quote]MangoMan305 wrote:
Doesn’t he love us? Isnt God our “father”? If so, why would he let us burn in hell for eternity?
Religion was nothing more than a mean to control and put fear in people a long time ago.[/quote]
Good questions Mango; according to scripture God has never claimed to be everyones father, only their creator. As creations with free decision making capacities if we choose to sin against him, we make ourselves his enemy, He in his wrath has destruction prepared for his enemies, YET in his love provides opportunity for said enemies to be adopted into his family thus becoming their Father. Religion is the idea of doing things to appease God’s wrath at our sin so we can escape punishment; it leads to racism, sexism, and a host of other -isms … I hate it too. Jesus destroyed religion on the cross taking God’s wrath for us. No divine wrath at me for my host of sins = my clean slate = adoption into God’s family = eternal life = Yay x Infinity.
[quote]Eric 2.0 wrote:
This is a mediocre troll at best. However, a google search reveals that the story is widely circulated and believed, so I’ll reply.
I found the website of the religious institution he belongs to, and their biography on him contradicts the parts of his life story you posted. Some minor contradictions, but it makes you wonder - if these are the exaggerations that are uncovered through a thirty second google search, what else is he saying that is not actually the truth?
The biography says he was hired by Ford as a production operator, you said he was hired as a janitor.
It says that he was “passed through” school, graduating high school unable to read. You said he wasn’t allowed to attend school.
I’ll admit that I didn’t watch more than five seconds of your embeded video because that cliched tv preacher voice is just too obnoxious.
You say that he believes a voice told him the answers to the test. If this is not another exaggeration, this is of course indicitive of some form of psychosis, or some type of drug intoxication.
This is in no way passing judgement on anyone’s faith. It is just to say that this one particular pastor appears to be full of shit. [/quote]
Well I was telling it as i remembered it thats why i put up the video so you could see for yourself.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I never understood how someone can believe in something as illogical as christianity, or any organized religion really.[/quote]
And I’ve never understood how people can believe that random gases, cosmic events, and evolution has allowed the earth and people and things on it to flourish in perfect distance between the sun and the moon. If none of this was created perfectly for us, earth and the life that is on it was the greatest accident in the history of existence. Just think about no earth, no sun, no moon and try to figure out where this all came about. I think it’s actually illogical to think it was “scientific” and not God-made.[/quote]
It’s a very large universe so events that are as unlikely as our ‘perfect’ living environment are bound to happen at least occasionally. And just as our planet is adapted for us, we’re adapted for our planet as well. At the moment, we simply don’t have the observational technologies to see where else and how often these conditions occur. We also don’t know if life is limited to carbon forms. Some even think there might be life based off of silicon and ammonia. It might not even be that special a phenomenon (existence of life and conditions for it). Keep in mind that not that long ago, we knew that the earth was the center of existence. After we found that to be false, we knew that our solar system was the center of the universe. After that we found out that wasn’t true either. I can only imagine what other egocentric ways of thinking will be torn to pieces in the future.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
I never understood how someone can believe in something as illogical as christianity, or any organized religion really.[/quote]
And I’ve never understood how people can believe that random gases, cosmic events, and evolution has allowed the earth and people and things on it to flourish in perfect distance between the sun and the moon. If none of this was created perfectly for us, earth and the life that is on it was the greatest accident in the history of existence. Just think about no earth, no sun, no moon and try to figure out where this all came about. I think it’s actually illogical to think it was “scientific” and not God-made.[/quote]
It’s a very large universe so events that are as unlikely as our ‘perfect’ living environment are bound to happen at least occasionally. And just as our planet is adapted for us, we’re adapted for our planet as well. At the moment, we simply don’t have the observational technologies to see where else and how often these conditions occur. We also don’t know if life is limited to carbon forms. Some even think there might be life based off of silicon and ammonia. It might not even be that special a phenomenon (existence of life and conditions for it). Keep in mind that not that long ago, we knew that the earth was the center of existence. After we found that to be false, we knew that our solar system was the center of the universe. After that we found out that wasn’t true either. I can only imagine what other egocentric ways of thinking will be torn to pieces in the future.
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Why did god put the tree to tempt Adam and Eve? It’s like giving the keys to the Bentley and saying don’t drive it. Why din’t god protect his precious children from the snake when it entered the garden?[/quote]
It’s called “free will”. If God had removed everything that was tempting then man could not have exercised his free will to sin. If man had loved God more than his own desire to disobey then there would have been no fall.
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do you seriously believe in that?[/quote]
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
Then it wouldn’t be free will would it? We would be no better than preprogrammed biological robots.
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well, no. just because you, with your limited human comprehension cannot conceive of free will without evil doesn’t mean that all powerful god can’t. how do you know that what you have now IS free will? what if there are some possible “things” that god could’ve implemented, but didn’t?
oh, and yes, if you let someone drive off a cliff while having the power to stop him and explain him why he is wrong (hey, i think i’d change my mind if i had all the information, if god made a clear intervention), then yes, you do not love them.