You can’t equate physically shitting on a corpse to written comments.[/quote] Yes, yes I can. A grown man metaphorically shat on the memory of several teenage girls in a very deliberate manner. He didn’t just find them, he sought them out. Don’t worry: He’ll be out in four months and he’ll probably have internet access in prison…[quote] However I would not consider it illegal to protest a funeral in the same way the WBC chooses to do so.
My friends and I have a memorial page on FB for one of my friends who died in a car accident. It’s invite only or a person can request to join it. That’s what should have been done.
I agree mods aren’t infallible but generally it takes Facebook FOREVER to respond to flagged comments.
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Your ability to hairsplit and miss the point is impressive. It’s everybody’s fault but the guy who authored the comments. Not his fault. Self-control, accountability and empathy be damned.
You can’t equate physically shitting on a corpse to written comments.[/quote] Yes, yes I can. A grown man metaphorically shat on the memory of several teenage girls in a very deliberate manner. He didn’t just find them, he sought them out. Don’t worry: He’ll be out in four months and he’ll probably have internet access in prison…[quote] However I would not consider it illegal to protest a funeral in the same way the WBC chooses to do so.
My friends and I have a memorial page on FB for one of my friends who died in a car accident. It’s invite only or a person can request to join it. That’s what should have been done.
I agree mods aren’t infallible but generally it takes Facebook FOREVER to respond to flagged comments.
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Your ability to hairsplit and miss the point is impressive. It’s everybody’s fault but the guy who authored the comments. Not his fault. Self-control, accountability and empathy be damned.[/quote]
Right keep stretching with that analogy. I think you know it’s a stretch.
The point being if you’re going to put something on the Internet for public comment, do not be upset if people choose to speak their mind freely.
[quote]gregron wrote:
im glad this idiot got punish.
Freedom of speech? Yeah you’re free to say whatever you want… but that doesnt mean you can say whatever you want without consequences.[/quote]
But if there are legal consequences (criminal), then there’s no free speech. [/quote]
so you think you should be able to say whatever you want with no consequences? [/quote]
In most cases yes.
We had a thread a while back about a pedo book being sold on Amazon. Even though I think pedophilia is wrong, I would not be against it being sold.
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It doesn’t matter. I wasn’t against censorship either in that case. However, that is also a prime example of the public consequences of that freedom of speech…ie, that others are free to respond back.
[quote]gregron wrote:
im glad this idiot got punish.
Freedom of speech? Yeah you’re free to say whatever you want… but that doesnt mean you can say whatever you want without consequences.[/quote]
But if there are legal consequences (criminal), then there’s no free speech. [/quote]
so you think you should be able to say whatever you want with no consequences? [/quote]
In most cases yes.
We had a thread a while back about a pedo book being sold on Amazon. Even though I think pedophilia is wrong, I would not be against it being sold.
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It doesn’t matter. I wasn’t against censorship either in that case. However, that is also a prime example of the public consequences of that freedom of speech…ie, that others are free to respond back.[/quote]
I have no problem with people responding back… it’s the criminal consequences that I disagree with. Dude was given 18 weeks in jail
^Good. Now, maybe the next kid with internet access won’t think they can unload all of the garbage they can muster with zero consequences.
Making one or two comments is to be expected. The moment you take it to the level of following someone around to harass them, it is no longer innocent words on the screen.
I have had people on this site try that with me. I honestly think this doesn’t bother you…because you really think you are still anonymous.
You haven’t experienced someone calling your job to see if you worked there based on an internet discussion…and seem to think this would be a non-issue if it happened.
You can’t equate physically shitting on a corpse to written comments.[/quote] Yes, yes I can. A grown man metaphorically shat on the memory of several teenage girls in a very deliberate manner. He didn’t just find them, he sought them out. Don’t worry: He’ll be out in four months and he’ll probably have internet access in prison…[quote] However I would not consider it illegal to protest a funeral in the same way the WBC chooses to do so.
My friends and I have a memorial page on FB for one of my friends who died in a car accident. It’s invite only or a person can request to join it. That’s what should have been done.
I agree mods aren’t infallible but generally it takes Facebook FOREVER to respond to flagged comments.
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Your ability to hairsplit and miss the point is impressive. It’s everybody’s fault but the guy who authored the comments. Not his fault. Self-control, accountability and empathy be damned.[/quote]
Right keep stretching with that analogy. I think you know it’s a stretch.
The point being if you’re going to put something on the Internet for public comment, do not be upset if people choose to speak their mind freely. [/quote]
What analogy? You mean the one where I think it’s wrong to shit on the memory of dead kids, literally or otherwise, yet you think it’s OK because it’s done on the internet? He’s in jail and rightly so. Deal with it.
[quote]gregron wrote:
im glad this idiot got punish.
Freedom of speech? Yeah you’re free to say whatever you want… but that doesnt mean you can say whatever you want without consequences.[/quote]
But if there are legal consequences (criminal), then there’s no free speech. [/quote]
so you think you should be able to say whatever you want with no consequences? [/quote]
In most cases yes.
We had a thread a while back about a pedo book being sold on Amazon. Even though I think pedophilia is wrong, I would not be against it being sold.
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It doesn’t matter. I wasn’t against censorship either in that case. However, that is also a prime example of the public consequences of that freedom of speech…ie, that others are free to respond back.[/quote]
I have no problem with people responding back… it’s the criminal consequences that I disagree with. Dude was given 18 weeks in jail[/quote]
I don’t know what the laws are in England, but in the U.S. harassment is criminal and can result in jail time.
[quote]gregron wrote:
im glad this idiot got punish.
Freedom of speech? Yeah you’re free to say whatever you want… but that doesnt mean you can say whatever you want without consequences.[/quote]
But if there are legal consequences (criminal), then there’s no free speech. [/quote]
so you think you should be able to say whatever you want with no consequences? [/quote]
In most cases yes.
We had a thread a while back about a pedo book being sold on Amazon. Even though I think pedophilia is wrong, I would not be against it being sold.
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The author was a complete perv. A vid was posted on that thread where he told people how his book was a guide to romancing children but he didn’t condone it. You don’t write books on subjects you aren’t interested in, and it’s not the type of light reading you buy for a long journey…
Not only that, but the KKK/neo-Nazis have had rallies in public spaces. If you want to talk about via Internet vs in person why is it okay to openly display your hatred for other races in public, and not okay to troll dead teenagers on the Internet?
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The case in the OP is in the UK, WBC are American and you’re Canadian. Why do you expect consistency? Are you familiar with the laws of any of those countries?
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I know that the British National Party is a racist party and has rallies.
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The BNP are far more insidious than the KKK. The BNP aren’t overtly racist (even though they are inwardly very racist) and are just looking to get a foothold in British government through votes rather than trying to recruit new membership.
Trolling is too vague a term IMO, harassment in this case would be more like it.
Most ‘trolls’ I’ve come across on the internet have been fairly mild, attention seeking weirdoes. The generally impersonal nature of most trollery is what separates a troll from a harasser/bully IMO.
Not that I have any sympathy for the guy, whatever you want to label him.
What exactly is trolling? Just posting abusive shit online? Somone told me its if you post on a forum once that you never ever post to and never come back.
‘Trolling’ as I understand it is posing as a legitimate user of a message board while writing inflammatory and or controversial posts to provoke a reaction from other posters.
What this guy did is deliberately seek out memorials for girls HE DID NOT KNOW and leave insulting, offensive comments. This is not trolling, its the same as going to strangers’ funerals and heckling the mourners. Not okay in real life and not okay on the internet.
What this guy did is deliberately seek out memorials for girls HE DID NOT KNOW and leave insulting, offensive comments. This is not trolling, its the same as going to strangers’ funerals and heckling the mourners. Not okay in real life and not okay on the internet.[/quote]
I tried explaining that to the OP. ^ Apparently I was stretching the “analogy”. It makes me wonder what his thought processes are that he keeps trying to downplay that Duffy guy’s part in this, and blame nearly everybody else for what he did.
But wait, heckling dead teenage girls down a telephone line is a victimless crime, right?