[quote]therajraj wrote:
Why is random trolling less of a crime to you vs picking specific victims?[/quote]
Because it wasn’t random trolling it:
[quote]debraD wrote:
Sounds like harassment to me.[/quote]
He wasn’t trolling anymore… That is the difference.
WBC know exactly what they’re doing: they are nearly all attorneys and are just waiting for the day somebody stops them so they can file a suit citing the first amendment. It’s all about money. Bunch of bastards…
[quote]debraD wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
Not only that, but the KKK/neo-Nazis have had rallies in public spaces. If you want to talk about via Internet vs in person why is it okay to openly display your hatred for other races in public, and not okay to troll dead teenagers on the Internet?
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The case in the OP is in the UK, WBC are American and you’re Canadian. Why do you expect consistency? Are you familiar with the laws of any of those countries?
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I know that the British National Party is a racist party and has rallies.
I don’t see how this is really any different than half the rotten comments and videos you see on youtube.
There’s a video on Youtube of a guy mocking Mitchell Henderson, the kid who committed suicide in 2006 after someone stole his iPod allegedly.
People leave sexual comments on videos of minors.
If trolling a facebook memorial page is a crime, so should be all this other crap.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I don’t see how this is really any different than half the rotten comments and videos you see on youtube.
There’s a video on Youtube of a guy mocking Mitchell Henderson, the kid who committed suicide in 2006 after someone stole his iPod allegedly.
People leave sexual comments on videos of minors.
If trolling a facebook memorial page is a crime, so should be all this other crap.[/quote]
Not a single page, several pages, all dedicated to dead girls with comments directed at their parents, left in places they were bound to read them … “Mommy, it’s hot down here”…That’s why they jailed him. It was a focused effort to cause distress.
He was judged on his own actions. Do you think he should have been acquitted because he’s not the only troll in the world? He got caught, he got punished.
FYI, they arrested several FB posters less than a month ago for encouraging people to join the riots in the UK, so I really don’t know where this idea that this dude was being unfairly singled out is coming from.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I don’t see how this is really any different than half the rotten comments and videos you see on youtube.
There’s a video on Youtube of a guy mocking Mitchell Henderson, the kid who committed suicide in 2006 after someone stole his iPod allegedly.
People leave sexual comments on videos of minors.
If trolling a facebook memorial page is a crime, so should be all this other crap.[/quote]
Not a single page, several pages, all dedicated to dead girls with comments directed at their parents, left in places they were bound to read them … “Mommy, it’s hot down here”…That’s why they jailed him. It was a focused effort to cause distress.
He was judged on his own actions. Do you think he should have been acquitted because he’s not the only troll in the world? He got caught, he got punished.
FYI, they arrested several FB posters less than a month ago for encouraging people to join the riots in the UK, so I really don’t know where this idea that this dude was being unfairly singled out is coming from.[/quote]
It’s coming from guys who act like that from time to time.
I personally am glad this happened. No, you don’t get to say whatever you please without any consequences, especially if it falls into flat out harassment.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I don’t see how this is really any different than half the rotten comments and videos you see on youtube.
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Someone driving down main street with a bullhorn screaming about how they hate jews, not a crime.
That same person going to the same four jewish families house’s, daily, screaming how he hates them, is a crime.
It isn’t that hard dude, lol.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I don’t see how this is really any different than half the rotten comments and videos you see on youtube.
There’s a video on Youtube of a guy mocking Mitchell Henderson, the kid who committed suicide in 2006 after someone stole his iPod allegedly.
People leave sexual comments on videos of minors.
If trolling a facebook memorial page is a crime, so should be all this other crap.[/quote]
Not a single page, several pages, all dedicated to dead girls with comments directed at their parents, left in places they were bound to read them … “Mommy, it’s hot down here”…That’s why they jailed him. It was a focused effort to cause distress.
He was judged on his own actions. Do you think he should have been acquitted because he’s not the only troll in the world? He got caught, he got punished.
FYI, they arrested several FB posters less than a month ago for encouraging people to join the riots in the UK, so I really don’t know where this idea that this dude was being unfairly singled out is coming from.[/quote]
From my understanding he left his comments on pages OPEN for comments - a FB page and a memorial page. I think he should be acquitted because he should be allowed to leave comments on an OPEN forum. Had he chosen to seek out the victim’s parents PERSONAL emails and PERSONAL telephone numbers I would agree with you.
IMO it’s the moderators who are at fault on this one. It’s their job to step in and make sure this type of stuff gets deleted immediately.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I don’t see how this is really any different than half the rotten comments and videos you see on youtube.
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Someone driving down main street with a bullhorn screaming about how they hate jews, not a crime.
That same person going to the same four jewish families house’s, daily, screaming how he hates them, is a crime.
It isn’t that hard dude, lol.[/quote]
But you see, he didn’t go to their personal residences, he chose a public forum or the real life equivalent of a public place.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I don’t see how this is really any different than half the rotten comments and videos you see on youtube.
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Someone driving down main street with a bullhorn screaming about how they hate jews, not a crime.
That same person going to the same four jewish families house’s, daily, screaming how he hates them, is a crime.
It isn’t that hard dude, lol.[/quote]
But you see, he didn’t go to their personal residences, he chose a public forum or the real life equivalent of a public place.[/quote]
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It’s coming from guys who act like that from time to time.
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What are you trying to say here?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It’s coming from guys who act like that from time to time.
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What are you trying to say here?[/quote]
LOL @ “trying”.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
From my understanding he left his comments on pages OPEN for comments - a FB page and a memorial page.
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So if a funeral is open casket that gives me carte blanche to take a dump on the corpse?
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I think he should be acquitted because he should be allowed to leave comments on an OPEN forum. Had he chosen to seek out the victim’s parents PERSONAL emails and PERSONAL telephone numbers I would agree with you.[/quote]
How do you expect a memorial page to be anything other than open? The idea is to honor the deceased not poke fun at the parents and laugh at their child’s death…are we really having this conversation?
The people at fault are the jackasses who post shit thinking that they remain anonymous. Mods aren’t infallible. Without accountability, it becomes a running battle between mods and trolls.
im glad this idiot got punish.
Freedom of speech? Yeah you’re free to say whatever you want… but that doesnt mean you can say whatever you want without consequences.
Jailing Trolls?
Internet would be empty and jails full.
Might be able to have a decent debate, if you could find anyone left.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
From my understanding he left his comments on pages OPEN for comments - a FB page and a memorial page.
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So if a funeral is open casket that gives me carte blanche to take a dump on the corpse?
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I think he should be acquitted because he should be allowed to leave comments on an OPEN forum. Had he chosen to seek out the victim’s parents PERSONAL emails and PERSONAL telephone numbers I would agree with you.[/quote]
How do you expect a memorial page to be anything other than open? The idea is to honor the deceased not poke fun at the parents and laugh at their child’s death…are we really having this conversation?
The people at fault are the jackasses who post shit thinking that they remain anonymous. Mods aren’t infallible. Without accountability, it becomes a running battle between mods and trolls.[/quote]
You can’t equate physically shitting on a corpse to written comments. However I would not consider it illegal to protest a funeral in the same way the WBC chooses to do so.
My friends and I have a memorial page on FB for one of my friends who died in a car accident. It’s invite only or a person can request to join it. That’s what should have been done.
I agree mods aren’t infallible but generally it takes Facebook FOREVER to respond to flagged comments.
[quote]gregron wrote:
im glad this idiot got punish.
Freedom of speech? Yeah you’re free to say whatever you want… but that doesnt mean you can say whatever you want without consequences.[/quote]
But if there are legal consequences (criminal), then there’s no free speech.
The reality is, a line does need to be drawn. If someone logged on and posted directions to your house, pictures of your family and pets with the eyes cut out on a forum of serial killers, I am guessing you wouldn’t take it lightly.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
im glad this idiot got punish.
Freedom of speech? Yeah you’re free to say whatever you want… but that doesnt mean you can say whatever you want without consequences.[/quote]
But if there are legal consequences, then there’s no free speech. [/quote]
There are lots of limits to free speech. One of which is harassment.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
im glad this idiot got punish.
Freedom of speech? Yeah you’re free to say whatever you want… but that doesnt mean you can say whatever you want without consequences.[/quote]
But if there are legal consequences (criminal), then there’s no free speech. [/quote]
so you think you should be able to say whatever you want with no consequences?