Test ethanate one per week?
I think that it is faster acting then cyp, read that to mean shorter half life and will leave you hanging before your next shot.
I hope that someone will set things right if test cyp is not longer acting than ethanate.
[quote]KSman wrote:
Test ethanate one per week?
I think that it is faster acting then cyp, read that to mean shorter half life and will leave you hanging before your next shot.
I hope that someone will set things right if test cyp is not longer acting than ethanate.[/quote]
One what?
The active life of the 2 compounds are the same…15 days.
[quote]T-Nick wrote:
JWpushheavy wrote:
T-Nick wrote:
Ok so my insurance cleared threw. Basically I can get
hCG
Growth Hormone
Test Enanthanate
Anti E
All of them together is gonna run me about 1000 bucks for a 6 month supply, or about 166 bucks per month, including doctor fees, blood tests, etc. Ouch! Does this sound normal?
I still want to give Alpha Male a try first though for 8 weeks and get retested and see what kind of a bump I get. I should be ordering some up this friday and be on by wensday.
What kind of quantities are they going to give you? For example, 200 mgs of test per week? The reason I ask is from what I understand the amounts are so little with these guys that its not enough to see true results.
JW
I can get whatever I want, as long as I stay within safe ranges. Im thinking 100mg Test/week and go from there. If I want 150 or 200 a week, I can get it. But my doc says under no circumstances is he letting me go above 1100ng. So it depends on how I react. We’ll see.
The actual costs of test are covered under insurance and costs are neglible. The real prices come with blood tests and doctor visits. [/quote]
Thats the same cap that my doctor placed on me . Its odd that you got Test E , are you from North America? From my understanding that Test E is used in europe and Cyp north America (im on Cyp).
I saw him the other day and brought up the fluxuating levels and how I have been having a crazy libido that drops like a rock 2 days before my next Inj. When I brought up EW inj he would not budge , when I brought up a AI he refused to give anything until my next bloodwork is done.
I REALLY reccomend every week injections as the drop in levels is enough for me sometimes to want to go off.
BTW I pay 9$ for a 10ml 100mg/1ml with my perscrip plan .
[quote]JWpushheavy wrote:
OK. I know this. So what are you trying to accomplish?[/quote]
Test levels as high as possible while still being safe. Up to 1200ng or bust, LOL
Do you think Cyp is a better way to go?
[quote]KSman wrote:
Test ethanate one per week?
I think that it is faster acting then cyp, read that to mean shorter half life and will leave you hanging before your next shot.
I hope that someone will set things right if test cyp is not longer acting than ethanate.[/quote]
[quote]bboybean wrote:
T-Nick wrote:
JWpushheavy wrote:
T-Nick wrote:
Ok so my insurance cleared threw. Basically I can get
hCG
Growth Hormone
Test Enanthanate
Anti E
All of them together is gonna run me about 1000 bucks for a 6 month supply, or about 166 bucks per month, including doctor fees, blood tests, etc. Ouch! Does this sound normal?
I still want to give Alpha Male a try first though for 8 weeks and get retested and see what kind of a bump I get. I should be ordering some up this friday and be on by wensday.
What kind of quantities are they going to give you? For example, 200 mgs of test per week? The reason I ask is from what I understand the amounts are so little with these guys that its not enough to see true results.
JW
I can get whatever I want, as long as I stay within safe ranges. Im thinking 100mg Test/week and go from there. If I want 150 or 200 a week, I can get it. But my doc says under no circumstances is he letting me go above 1100ng. So it depends on how I react. We’ll see.
The actual costs of test are covered under insurance and costs are neglible. The real prices come with blood tests and doctor visits.
Thats the same cap that my doctor placed on me . Its odd that you got Test E , are you from North America? From my understanding that Test E is used in europe and Cyp north America (im on Cyp).
I saw him the other day and brought up the fluxuating levels and how I have been having a crazy libido that drops like a rock 2 days before my next Inj. When I brought up EW inj he would not budge , when I brought up a AI he refused to give anything until my next bloodwork is done.
I REALLY reccomend every week injections as the drop in levels is enough for me sometimes to want to go off.
BTW I pay 9$ for a 10ml 100mg/1ml with my perscrip plan .
[/quote]
Actually, I mistyped, the cap he put me on is 1199ng. As long as Im reading in the 4 digits and its 1100-something, he is fine with that.
In all actuality though, if you think about it, there really is no cap. I can manipulate (lower)my t levels with natural means and I could actually get more than I need if I wanted.
Not gonna do that though of course.
[quote]T-Nick wrote:
JWpushheavy wrote:
OK. I know this. So what are you trying to accomplish?
Test levels as high as possible while still being safe. Up to 1200ng or bust, LOL[/quote]
Test levels as high as possible while still being safe. Up to 1200ng or bust,
Ok what the Fuck is an ng how much is that? Do you mean mg?
JW
I think he’s referring to a nanogram, 1 x 10 (to the power of -9) of a gram
Its the upper reference range of the expected normal levels of testosterone in our blood
[quote]superchumbo wrote:
I think he’s referring to a nanogram, 1 x 10 (to the power of -9) of a gram
Its the upper reference range of the expected normal levels of testosterone in our blood[/quote]
OK So this is what I calculate:
1199 nanogram = 0.001 199 milligrams
Not even worth the time.
JW
That’s how test is measured in the blood stream: In ng/dl (nanograms per deciliter)… So, it IS worth the time because when 300-1000 is the normal range, him being at 1199 would be very high.
[quote]JKThreeEleven17 wrote:
That’s how test is measured in the blood stream: In ng/dl (nanograms per deciliter)… So, it IS worth the time because when 300-1000 is the normal range, him being at 1199 would be very high.[/quote]
Learning something new everyday here.
I stand corrected.
So what is the correlation between his nanogram levels in the blood to the 100 mg he will be injecting? Were talking very small here. I just don’t see the point.
Not arguing, just trying to understand.
JW
[quote]JWpushheavy wrote:
JKThreeEleven17 wrote:
That’s how test is measured in the blood stream: In ng/dl (nanograms per deciliter)… So, it IS worth the time because when 300-1000 is the normal range, him being at 1199 would be very high.
Learning something new everyday here.
I stand corrected.
So what is the correlation between his nanogram levels in the blood to the 100 mg he will be injecting? Were talking very small here. I just don’t see the point.
Not arguing, just trying to understand.
JW
[/quote]
You have to remember, this isn’t a cycle. This is permanent. 100 - 200mg per week of test might seem useless for an 8 week cycle, but not for something one will run day in, day out every day of the year.
How much i end up using is really up to me. Im probably gonna be starting at 100mg because I want to see how my skin will react(I used to be acne prone as a teenager). Although now Im alot smarter when it comes to combating such issues.
Long term I want my test in the 4 digits(1200) so I may eventually have to inject 150 - 200mg per week.
Cool. I am enlightened.
Good luck.
JW
Just a quick update. I lost my bloodwork but should have a new copy ASAP, I will post it up here.
I have decided to go for it. I will be starting the program soon, probably in January after the holidays, barring any financial setbacks.
I have also decided that I am going to run HGH, low dose. If I dont like it, or hear/find better advise not to, I can always drop it.
I will also be sticking with my usual supplement regimine as well.
ZMA
Flameout
REZ-V
Creatine
GROW!
I have to speak again with my doc to figure out exactly what I’ll be running and what dosages. Im going to be starting off with an anti e for sure, dont know which one yet. Im also going with test enanthanate and hCG, and hgh.
Exact dosages of test will vary to I find one that me(and my skin, LOL) is comfortable with. Im probably gonna start with a low dose and go up from there.
[quote]JWpushheavy wrote:
The active life of the 2 compounds are the same…15 days.
[/quote]
The half life is dose dependent. The quoted half lifes are from studies done a long time ago when doses were very high and injections were every 2,3,4 weeks at a doctors office. If you inject often enough to feel level, every week or more often, then the half life really does not matter at all.
So a 200mg injection and my 28mg injections have the same 1/2 life… not.
These testosterone esters have different yeild due to the differing amount that the esters have. So when the body strips off the esters to yield test, the resulting amounts are different.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
JWpushheavy wrote:
JKThreeEleven17 wrote:
That’s how test is measured in the blood stream: In ng/dl (nanograms per deciliter)… So, it IS worth the time because when 300-1000 is the normal range, him being at 1199 would be very high.
Learning something new everyday here.
I stand corrected.
So what is the correlation between his nanogram levels in the blood to the 100 mg he will be injecting? Were talking very small here. I just don’t see the point.
Not arguing, just trying to understand.
JW
A high proportion of the test you administer will get excreted. This is why you only end up with nanograms (a millionth of a milligram) per deciliter (a tenth of a litre) of blood. If you had milligrams per deciliter, you would fuck up, because you’d be displacing other vitally important compounds and substances.[/quote]
Another way of looking at this:
Test eth/cyp are roughly 70% testosterone.
My 100mg/wk is 14mg/day. 14mgX0.7=9.8 So that is roughly 10mg of actual test per day. And when you read about natural production of test, you will read that the testes typically produce 10mg/day in an average young healthy male. So the numbers make sense from that point of view.
Some males are more average than others. (My replacement dose is making me grow hair that I never had and I gain muscle bulk easily now. So I conclude that my test levels were lower than average when I was younger.)
[quote]KSman wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
JWpushheavy wrote:
JKThreeEleven17 wrote:
That’s how test is measured in the blood stream: In ng/dl (nanograms per deciliter)… So, it IS worth the time because when 300-1000 is the normal range, him being at 1199 would be very high.
Learning something new everyday here.
I stand corrected.
So what is the correlation between his nanogram levels in the blood to the 100 mg he will be injecting? Were talking very small here. I just don’t see the point.
Not arguing, just trying to understand.
JW
A high proportion of the test you administer will get excreted. This is why you only end up with nanograms (a millionth of a milligram) per deciliter (a tenth of a litre) of blood. If you had milligrams per deciliter, you would fuck up, because you’d be displacing other vitally important compounds and substances.
Another way of looking at this:
Test eth/cyp are roughly 70% testosterone.
My 100mg/wk is 14mg/day. 14mgX0.7=9.8 So that is roughly 10mg of actual test per day. And when you read about natural production of test, you will read that the testes typically produce 10mg/day in an average young healthy male. So the numbers make sense from that point of view.
Some males are more average than others. (My replacement dose is making me grow hair that I never had and I gain muscle bulk easily now. So I conclude that my test levels were lower than average when I was younger.)[/quote]
Cool stuff Ksman. Always learning.
Ok, so Ive finally got the paperwork for my full bloodwork. I actually lost it twice(stoners, LOL, gotta love us). But here goes. If anyone, (Cy especially 
wants to chime in and help me make sense of all this, PLEASE feel free to do so.
IGF-1 130 (126 - 382ng)
DHEA 520 (110 - 500)
T-4 FREE 1.5 (.8 - 1.8)
TSH 1.21 (.4 - 5.5)
ESTRADOIL…GULP!..47 (10 - 50)
PSA .3
T3 FREE 317 (230 - 420)
TEST, TOTAL 490 (245 - 1836)
TEST FREE 18.9 (12 - 40)
TEST, %OF FREE .4 (.2 - .68)
HEMOGLOBIN A1C 5.2 (<6)
BUN 17 (7-25 mg)
CREATININE 1.3 (.5 - 1.4 MG)
GFR >60
GLUCOSE 66 (65 - 99 MG)
AST 27 (3 - 50)
ALT 22 (3 - 60)
SODIUM 139 (135 - 146)
POTASSIUM 4 ( 3.5 - 5.3)
CHLORIDE 102 (98 - 110)
CARBON DIOXIDE 27 (21 - 33)
WHITE BLOOD CELL 5.6 (3.8 - 10.8)
RED BLOOD CELL 5.23 (4.2 - 5.8)
HEMOGLOBIN 16.6 (13.2 - 17.1)
HEMATOCRIT 47.5 (38.5 - 50)
MCV 90.9 (80 - 100)
MCH 31.7 (27 - 33)
MCHC 34.9 ( 32 - 36)
RDW 12.4 (11 - 15)
PLATELET COUNT 273 (140 - 400)
MPV 7.8 (7.5 - 11.5)
NEUTROPHILS 2671 (1500 - 7800)
LYMPHOCYTES 2106 (850 - 3900)
MONOCYTES 364 (200 - 950)
EOSINOPHILS 437 (15 - 500)
BASOPHILS 22 (0 - 200)
NEUTROPHILS 47.7
LYMPHOCYTES 37.6
MONOCYTES 6.5
EOSINOPHILS 7.8
BASOPHILS .4