'It's Worse Than Cocaine'

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I think you guys are confusing steroid use with steroid abuse. Granted, cocaine use (based on my own experiences and those of some old friends of mine) almost assuredly leads to abuse, steroid use can lead to abuse. Maybe it isn’t as likely to lead to abuse, but steroid abuse can lead to horrific consequences similar to cocaine abuse. However, that shit with Ben Affleck was absolutely ridiculous.[/quote]

Cocaine is physiologically addictive. Steroids are not. [/quote]

It takes a lot of use to get addicted to cocaine, you don’t do a few lines and get immediately hooked. Very few people only ever do one cycle of steroids though.

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[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
Do people “rage” on cocaine? I’ve seen people get pretty twitchy but nothing like thrashing around on the ground completely losing their shit. Is that common with cocaine?[/quote]

Yes its possible. not for a casual user, but if your on a 3 day bender…absolutely.

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[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]andrew_live wrote:

[quote]bluefingas wrote:
This is what happens when you take steroids.
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I’m not that educated on steroids or T-booster (the testosterone toolbox article was pretty sweet though). I’m just thinking though…WTF?! He just started chugging bottles of pills. Gamma ray pills…grrr…hulk smash.

I get told all the time that creatine is like roids and gives you the rage…such utter bullshit.[/quote]

Fool! Gamma rays don’t come in pills![/quote]

Don’t worry bro, they’re methylated gamma rays.

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[quote]Vir wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I think you guys are confusing steroid use with steroid abuse. Granted, cocaine use (based on my own experiences and those of some old friends of mine) almost assuredly leads to abuse, steroid use can lead to abuse. Maybe it isn’t as likely to lead to abuse, but steroid abuse can lead to horrific consequences similar to cocaine abuse. However, that shit with Ben Affleck was absolutely ridiculous.[/quote]

Cocaine is physiologically addictive. Steroids are not. [/quote]

It takes a lot of use to get addicted to cocaine, you don’t do a few lines and get immediately hooked. Very few people only ever do one cycle of steroids though.[/quote]

People don’t have to get counseling to stop cycling when the time comes(for whatever reason, including the bad ones like negative side effects from abuse[yes it happens]). In fact, the whole idea of cycling kind of proves that steroids are non addictive, you aren’t suffering withdrawal when you are off cycle, you might have a mental attachment to the gains you were making but that would be it.

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[quote]Vir wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I think you guys are confusing steroid use with steroid abuse. Granted, cocaine use (based on my own experiences and those of some old friends of mine) almost assuredly leads to abuse, steroid use can lead to abuse. Maybe it isn’t as likely to lead to abuse, but steroid abuse can lead to horrific consequences similar to cocaine abuse. However, that shit with Ben Affleck was absolutely ridiculous.[/quote]

Cocaine is physiologically addictive. Steroids are not. [/quote]

It takes a lot of use to get addicted to cocaine, you don’t do a few lines and get immediately hooked. Very few people only ever do one cycle of steroids though.[/quote]

Are you actually saying steroids are worse than cocaine?

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[quote]silverhydra wrote:

[quote]chimera182 wrote:

[quote]andrew_live wrote:

[quote]bluefingas wrote:
This is what happens when you take steroids.
[/quote]

I’m not that educated on steroids or T-booster (the testosterone toolbox article was pretty sweet though). I’m just thinking though…WTF?! He just started chugging bottles of pills. Gamma ray pills…grrr…hulk smash.

I get told all the time that creatine is like roids and gives you the rage…such utter bullshit.[/quote]

Fool! Gamma rays don’t come in pills![/quote]

Don’t worry bro, they’re methylated gamma rays.
[/quote]

Well done.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I think you guys are confusing steroid use with steroid abuse. Granted, cocaine use (based on my own experiences and those of some old friends of mine) almost assuredly leads to abuse, steroid use can lead to abuse. Maybe it isn’t as likely to lead to abuse, but steroid abuse can lead to horrific consequences similar to cocaine abuse. However, that shit with Ben Affleck was absolutely ridiculous.[/quote]

Cocaine is physiologically addictive. Steroids are not. [/quote]

So what? They can both be abused.

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[quote]dirtbag wrote:

[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
Do people “rage” on cocaine? I’ve seen people get pretty twitchy but nothing like thrashing around on the ground completely losing their shit. Is that common with cocaine?[/quote]

I have just seen people get sketchy and looking for more cause there addicted to it. Never violent unless you ripped them off some how.

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I’ve abused the shit out of cocaine in the good ol’ days and ran with a bunch of people who were just as into as I was. We ALL raged like rabid baboons at one point or another. When things got really bad for me toward the end, I was ticking timebomb looking for an excuse to go off. I never got jacked or ripped off because I ran with some fuckers who you just didn’t rip off, so our episodes were pretty much just fueled by the coke itself.

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[quote]red04 wrote:

[quote]Vir wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I think you guys are confusing steroid use with steroid abuse. Granted, cocaine use (based on my own experiences and those of some old friends of mine) almost assuredly leads to abuse, steroid use can lead to abuse. Maybe it isn’t as likely to lead to abuse, but steroid abuse can lead to horrific consequences similar to cocaine abuse. However, that shit with Ben Affleck was absolutely ridiculous.[/quote]

Cocaine is physiologically addictive. Steroids are not. [/quote]

It takes a lot of use to get addicted to cocaine, you don’t do a few lines and get immediately hooked. Very few people only ever do one cycle of steroids though.[/quote]

People don’t have to get counseling to stop cycling when the time comes(for whatever reason, including the bad ones like negative side effects from abuse[yes it happens]). In fact, the whole idea of cycling kind of proves that steroids are non addictive, you aren’t suffering withdrawal when you are off cycle, you might have a mental attachment to the gains you were making but that would be it.[/quote]

This is all inaccurate. My mom works with a lot of drug addicts and she gets a steroid abuser every once in a while. Mental attachment is the epitome of addiction. As a recovering alcoholic/addict, I can attest to this. While it may take a lot of cocaine, or any drug for that matter, to develop a physical addiction, the mental addiction can start right away. You do a drug, you like the way it makes you feel or the way you think people perceive you when you are under the influence, and BAM, you can be on the road to addiction.

When I stopped drinking and drugs, I experienced very little physical withdrawal symptoms, but I can tell you I definitely drank enough and smoked enough weed and coke to have them. I ground the shit out of my teeth without even noticing it for a couple of weeks, but that was about it. The mental addiction/disease is why I relapsed a couple times within the first couple of months. It’s different for everyone. I know a lot of people who stopped drinking and went through every physical withdrawal symptom in the book, but once these stopped, they had no desire to start again.

I’ve seen people relapse after more than twenty years of sobriety and it’s not due to some physical need for drugs/booze; it’s a mental thing. In fact, the phsyical side of any addiction, including steroids, is just a side effect of a mental addiction. Steroids may have little to no physical withdrawal symptoms, but there is certainly a mental addiction. Other drugs have a very magnified physical addiction aspect, like heroin.

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Hmmm…well that would depend on how you define “abused” I suppose.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Hmmm…well that would depend on how you define “abused” I suppose. [/quote]

Abuse is like porn; I know it when I see it. This applies to any and all drugs.

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Now I don’t know about dosages used in a cycle, having not done one. That being said, I do use testosterone for TRT, and it has actually lessened my irritability, and made me calmer. I know that there is a huge difference in dosages between prescribed test and cycle test. It seems to me that 'roid rage is blown out of proportion.

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Illegal Drugs (cocaine, heroin, marijuana, and methamphetamine) = 15,000-20,000 deaths per year

Legal Drugs (Tylenol, advil, aspirin and so on) = 106,000 deaths per year

Steroids (legal in many countries) = 0 (zero) deaths per year

You be the judge!

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[quote]Efuchs7 wrote:
That Ben Afflick video was sweet… I wanna know what’s that from and watch the whole thing. You know it has the whole recovery moment when he gives it up and decides it was overtaking him. He jsut starts swallowing all the pills and getting crazy. ROTFL.[/quote]
It’s one of those after school brainwashing specials for the kids

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[quote]AzCats wrote:
Illegal Drugs (cocaine, heroin, marijuana, and methamphetamine) = 15,000-20,000 deaths per year

Legal Drugs (Tylenol, advil, aspirin and so on) = 106,000 deaths per year

Steroids (legal in many countries) = 0 (zero) deaths per year

You be the judge![/quote]

another falsehood.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/2008/06/28/2008-06-28_news_examines_relationship_between_stero.html

There are also articles that downplay this, but they come from BB sites. It’s like citing Freud’s Cocaine Papers as evidence that cocaine is good or citing High Times as evidence that weed doesn’t cause severe lung and heart damage.

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Unfortunately, you can do a few lines of cocaine and have a heart attack or a stroke though.

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[quote] bluefingas wrote:
This is what happens when you take steroids.
- YouTube [/quote]

This is also what happens when you take steroids.

Fast forward to 3:10. And brace yourselves, it is quite chilling.

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[quote]Vir wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I think you guys are confusing steroid use with steroid abuse. Granted, cocaine use (based on my own experiences and those of some old friends of mine) almost assuredly leads to abuse, steroid use can lead to abuse. Maybe it isn’t as likely to lead to abuse, but steroid abuse can lead to horrific consequences similar to cocaine abuse. However, that shit with Ben Affleck was absolutely ridiculous.[/quote]

Cocaine is physiologically addictive. Steroids are not. [/quote]

It takes a lot of use to get addicted to cocaine, you don’t do a few lines and get immediately hooked. .[/quote]

WRONG.

If you’ve ever been around people who have addictive personalities and have done coke, you’d know that this it totally wrong.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Hmmm…well that would depend on how you define “abused” I suppose. [/quote]

Abuse is like porn; I know it when I see it. This applies to any and all drugs.[/quote]

Wouldn’t that kinda make the original point of this thread null and void, really?

Because not only is it ridiculous to put steroid abuse on the same level of popularity/commonality as cocaine, but SO MANY other substances would be much more appropriate for comparison. I have yet to see the episode of “Cops” where the have to deal with some juiced-up meathead who’s roid-raging at the neighbours…

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Hmmm…well that would depend on how you define “abused” I suppose. [/quote]

Abuse is like porn; I know it when I see it. This applies to any and all drugs.[/quote]

Wouldn’t that kinda make the original point of this thread null and void, really?

Because not only is it ridiculous to put steroid abuse on the same level of popularity/commonality as cocaine, but SO MANY other substances would be much more appropriate for comparison. I have yet to see the episode of “Cops” where the have to deal with some juiced-up meathead who’s roid-raging at the neighbours…[/quote]

Cops is hardly the final arbiter in this discussion. Look, steroid abuse is real, it exists, and it can be addictive. It may not be as common as cocaine abuse, but the end result can be equally as bad: death.