[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
However, it looks like you are pulling conventional with a wide stance. [/quote]
That’s exactly what I’m doing. It’s back to the drawing board regarding sumo for me.
Yesterday: 35 miles on my bike. Feeling it a bit today in the crotch, traps, neck, and lower back. Legs are fine.[/quote]
That’s a good ride - where did you go? Always looking for a new route
Yet more unsolicited advice…you might try pulling each rep from a dead stop. I’ve recently taken to that method and for me it better simulates doing three singles. It also gives me that much more practice with the initial pull.
Solid work.
james
Nice to see the thread back up snaps.
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
Yet more unsolicited advice…you might try pulling each rep from a dead stop. I’ve recently taken to that method and for me it better simulates doing three singles. It also gives me that much more practice with the initial pull.
Solid work.
james[/quote]
This works wonders and I find it much harder than straight pulling if you understand me. I’d also 2nd the recommendation in regards to moving your feet/legs out more.
Good lifting though – nice numbers.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
However, it looks like you are pulling conventional with a wide stance. [/quote]
That’s exactly what I’m doing. It’s back to the drawing board regarding sumo for me.
Yesterday: 35 miles on my bike. Feeling it a bit today in the crotch, traps, neck, and lower back. Legs are fine.[/quote]
35! Awesome, 'specially sosoon after squats and deads!
I hear you have some hills out that way…
Good luck with those sumo deads. Wish I could help with technique, but I’ve got nothing. My advice, of course, and I’m being (mostly) tongue in cheek, is to rep that shit out or add weight. I’ll let you pick.
George: Bear Creek Trail from Morrison to Englewood. South on South Platte Trail to Chatfield. Around that area a bit then picked up the C470 trail back to Morrison. Relatively flat, yes.
James: There are reasons I’m not pulling from a dead stop right now. Mainly because, contrary to most people, my form is compromised way more on my first rep than subsequent ones. I am able to “squat” the bar down and pull in a much prettier fashion when touch-and-going after my first rep. Don’t know why. It’s usually the opposite and certainly is so when I pull conventional.
Nadia: I could rep sumos. Truly. I probably could’ve done ten at that weight (190) because I seem to be able to hold my form once I get going. I should mention that I couldn’t break 225 off the floor week before last with this stance. It’s totally the opposite for me with conventional: can’t rep it but can pull singles way higher than a 1 RM calculator would predict.
Today was a really positive training experience. Mostly because my shoulder felt really stable and pain-free, which isn’t usually the case.
Lying “L” (rotator cuff)
3/10/5
Flat Bench
8/45
5/57
5/62
5/67
5/72
3/5/77 Not much weight but good stability and bar path
Bentover BB Rows
8/45
5/57
5/62
6/67
5/72
3/5/77
Then seated rear delt machine (first time I’ve been able to do this machine without pain), standing lat pulldown, and lateral DB raise.
Tomorrow is squats. Love that shit.
Yay for no pain!!!
I don’t like my iPad when viewing this forum 'cuz I can’t see the videos. :((
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I don’t like my iPad when viewing this forum 'cuz I can’t see the videos. :((
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oh poor you lol
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
George: Bear Creek Trail from Morrison to Englewood. South on South Platte Trail to Chatfield. Around that area a bit then picked up the C470 trail back to Morrison. Relatively flat, yes.
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Thanks - That’s also the route I take on my longer rides
I posted a deadlift video just for you on my log. Some of the last sets are sloppy because we were farting around but the early low rep sets will give you an idea of my set up. It isn’t always pristine.
Just saying HI!
wishing you the best on your way to your next meet!
new log !
new log !
I personally think that all deadlifting in a PL meet should be done conventional. Squatting and benching require strength of course (doh!), but technique is so important in those two lifts. The aesthetic conclusion to a brute strength sport (that’s oxymoronic!) should entail the raw, unadulterated, animalistic brute effort of a conventional deadlift as opposed to the super technical sumo. Just my perspective as a spectator.
[quote]punnyguy wrote:
I personally think that all deadlifting in a PL meet should be done conventional. Squatting and benching require strength of course (doh!), but technique is so important in those two lifts. The aesthetic conclusion to a brute strength sport (that’s oxymoronic!) should entail the raw, unadulterated, animalistic brute effort of a conventional deadlift as opposed to the super technical sumo. Just my perspective as a spectator.[/quote]
I don’t want to be rude but the sport isn’t for spectators as much as it’s for the participants. I find that perspective a bit off putting as if there is something inferior about a sumo pull. I can attest that the same strength is required for a sumo pull as a conventional pull you just use slightly different muscle groups. I don’t know how the need for technical skill means that there is less strength involved.
Perhaps you can fill me in.
I am delighted to hear about the pain-free shoulder. Now off to O’s log for the deadlift video. Obviously I have no useful advice on that, other than to cheer you on in your sumo endeavors!
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
I don’t want to be rude but the sport isn’t for spectators as much as it’s for the participants. I find that perspective a bit off putting as if there is something inferior about a sumo pull. I can attest that the same strength is required for a sumo pull as a conventional pull you just use slightly different muscle groups. I don’t know how the need for technical skill means that there is less strength involved.
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Whether PL should be more spectator-friendly is a subject of some discussion from what I can tell, so that is a difference of perspective. Whether one should participate in a sport for inner nirvana, or some extraneous benefit such as fame, fortune, sex, King Arthur’s sword (Hel320 bling reference) etc., has been debated through history.
I did not intend to convey that a sumo pull was inferior, just different because technique is so important -and the more important technique is in any endeavor, the more technique can overcome/compensate for the “brute skills”, e.g. strength, speed, height, weight, etc. I simply think of PL as ultimately a brute strength sport, and the conventional DL as the ultimate brute strength lift (and that is simply my meathead opinion). And you pointed out something that I missed -the sumo uses slightly different muscle groups; isn’t that almost like saying the sumo pull is a slightly different event than the conventional pull? Hmmm.
I’ll just throw out that imo Jennifer Thompson is the best lifter around right now even though she is only 132 lbs and female and a sumo puller, because she has the highest Wilkes co-efficient (ever, I believe). If PeteS reads this, he’ll have to find me first before he can squash me like a bug…
I do not find you rude, and my opinion was not intended to be off-putttng. As I think I’ve stated before, I find your hard work and tremendous work ethic to be inspirational. I’ve told Ms. Snap the same thing. As I write this, I actually think that that is the central theme amongst the women that are logging here. (No!!!, I’m not saying the women that don’t log here are not!!!) 
[quote]punnyguy wrote:
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
I don’t want to be rude but the sport isn’t for spectators as much as it’s for the participants. I find that perspective a bit off putting as if there is something inferior about a sumo pull. I can attest that the same strength is required for a sumo pull as a conventional pull you just use slightly different muscle groups. I don’t know how the need for technical skill means that there is less strength involved.
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Whether PL should be more spectator-friendly is a subject of some discussion from what I can tell, so that is a difference of perspective. Whether one should participate in a sport for inner nirvana, or some extraneous benefit such as fame, fortune, sex, King Arthur’s sword (Hel320 bling reference) etc., has been debated through history.
I did not intend to convey that a sumo pull was inferior, just different because technique is so important -and the more important technique is in any endeavor, the more technique can overcome/compensate for the “brute skills”, e.g. strength, speed, height, weight, etc. I simply think of PL as ultimately a brute strength sport, and the conventional DL as the ultimate brute strength lift (and that is simply my meathead opinion). And you pointed out something that I missed -the sumo uses slightly different muscle groups; isn’t that almost like saying the sumo pull is a slightly different event than the conventional pull? Hmmm.
I’ll just throw out that imo Jennifer Thompson is the best lifter around right now even though she is only 132 lbs and female and a sumo puller, because she has the highest Wilkes co-efficient (ever, I believe). If PeteS reads this, he’ll have to find me first before he can squash me like a bug…
I do not find you rude, and my opinion was not intended to be off-putttng. As I think I’ve stated before, I find your hard work and tremendous work ethic to be inspirational. I’ve told Ms. Snap the same thing. As I write this, I actually think that that is the central theme amongst the women that are logging here. (No!!!, I’m not saying the women that don’t log here are not!!!)
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I find everything highly technical. I’m not sure why some people seem to get their shirts in a knot over sumo pulling. I don’t mean you but there are many out there who get highly bent out of shape about it. In my opinion you might as well start saying whether someone should have a wide or narrow stance squat since one is quad dominant and the other uses more glute/hamstring.
I’ll agree with you on Jennifer Thomson. She is incredible and I love watching any videos that I can find of her lifting.