[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
and here you are prepubescent avi [/quote]
Oh please don’t call me prepubescent.
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The other option is post-menopausal.[/quote]
hahaha ~~~ oh- wait I shouldnt be laughing 
Get the Fierce avi up now!
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
and here you are prepubescent avi [/quote]
Oh please don’t call me prepubescent.
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The other option is post-menopausal.[/quote]
lol. Just add a GRRRRRRR! to the top of that pic. That would be perfect.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
Sumo pulls looked good.
Are you using any spot on the bar for foot placement or are you just going for what feels right?
I find I have to have a marker on the bar to be close to consistent.[/quote]
I was pulling with feet to the plates. But that’s too wide for now. I plan to nail down my foot positioning this Friday. I will use the O rings for alignment.[/quote]
Sort of same here. I set my shins at the o rings and then turn my feet out which takes them wider. There’s no way I can do feet out to the plates right now.
Snapper, I am late to the party on your meet. But CONGRATULATIONS! That was a good, solid effort on all the lifts. Nicely done.
I am interestedly watching your sumo transition. I also never look at the bar on descent and try to keep my chest up. The butt thing, I’ve never heard before but I’m willing to try it. Personally, my legs are a tiny bit longer than yours and there is NO WAY I could get my toes to the plates and still balance upright. However, I might experiment with a slightly wider stance than I usually use just to see.
So here’s what I hiked today. It was hard for me, seeing as my cardio base is a bit deficient at the moment.
that is really pretty 
wow is about all i can say on the sumo deadlifts. i have them a bit of a try and i’m really very weak from there. so weak… i actually can’t do the movement at all. must work on my hips. wow.
What was the distance on that trail because it looks really effing long?
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
What was the distance on that trail because it looks really effing long?[/quote]
It’s only a mile up (2,000+ foot elevation gain). But extremely steep – as steep as 68 degrees in some sections. Like a constant stairmaster. The trail is an old roadbed from a cable car.
The cut in the mountain on this pic shows the trail from afar. Definitely a novelty-style hike. Curious to see how my legs do deadlifting today. Luckily I’m focusing on form rather than weight.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
Sumo pulls looked good.
Are you using any spot on the bar for foot placement or are you just going for what feels right?
I find I have to have a marker on the bar to be close to consistent.[/quote]
I was pulling with feet to the plates. But that’s too wide for now. I plan to nail down my foot positioning this Friday. I will use the O rings for alignment.[/quote]
I had a chance to watch Jen Maile train a few years back. She had set the WR dead at the time as a junior. I am guessing she is maybe your height and was a 104 lbs. She was able to get her feet out to the plates and pull like you are being taught, i think her distance from floor to lockout was something like 8 inches. Amazing use of leverage and angles.
What a Climb!!! wow!
my kinda cardio right there…
Ooh, new program too? I’ll be watching!
[quote]Germanone wrote:
I had a chance to watch Jen Maile train a few years back. She had set the WR dead at the time as a junior. I am guessing she is maybe your height and was a 104 lbs. She was able to get her feet out to the plates and pull like you are being taught, i think her distance from floor to lockout was something like 8 inches. Amazing use of leverage and angles.[/quote]
Yeah, pulling with my feet to the plates shortens my ROM such a huge amount over my conventional pull. I’m curious what tonight’s “consultants” advise me about that stance.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]Germanone wrote:
I had a chance to watch Jen Maile train a few years back. She had set the WR dead at the time as a junior. I am guessing she is maybe your height and was a 104 lbs. She was able to get her feet out to the plates and pull like you are being taught, i think her distance from floor to lockout was something like 8 inches. Amazing use of leverage and angles.[/quote]
Yeah, pulling with my feet to the plates shortens my ROM such a huge amount over my conventional pull. I’m curious what tonight’s “consultants” advise me about that stance. [/quote]
Yea me too. I think it’s like widening your bench grip, little at a time over weeks. I am going to start playing with sumo in a few weeks, especially if i get back into gear. I really suck at them in general but gear…different story, just kinda suck lol
[quote]Germanone wrote:
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]Germanone wrote:
I had a chance to watch Jen Maile train a few years back. She had set the WR dead at the time as a junior. I am guessing she is maybe your height and was a 104 lbs. She was able to get her feet out to the plates and pull like you are being taught, i think her distance from floor to lockout was something like 8 inches. Amazing use of leverage and angles.[/quote]
Yeah, pulling with my feet to the plates shortens my ROM such a huge amount over my conventional pull. I’m curious what tonight’s “consultants” advise me about that stance. [/quote]
Yea me too. I think it’s like widening your bench grip, little at a time over weeks. I am going to start playing with sumo in a few weeks, especially if i get back into gear. I really suck at them in general but gear…different story, just kinda suck lol[/quote]
I can’t imagine your form “sucking” with any lift. You’re always textbook perfect.
I was surprised that I could actually pull raw with feet to the plates. Should be much easier when I throw on the gear. The bummer is that I just purchased a new Velocity . . . conventional stance.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
It’s only a mile up (2,000+ foot elevation gain). But extremely steep – as steep as 68 degrees in some sections. Like a constant stairmaster. The trail is an old roadbed from a cable car.
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I was going to say it looked like the sort of terrain you might see in a movie about the ‘Gold Rush’ or something.
Very fit, to do that, you must be!
Sumo lessons tonight. Went to the PLing gym. A long drive.
Got lots of help. Just pulled one wheel for a number of sets and various reps depending on my success with whatever I was trying to correct. I find this lift to be very difficult. The setup. The girl who was instructing didn’t think I was rotating my hips under enough nor bringing them through enough. There’s no explosiveness with this lift. I like the rip and grip of conventional. But I will persevere. Honestly, I can’t imagine ever being nearly as strong in this position as I am with conventional. At least not with impeccable form. My tendency is to initiate the lift with my hips. Or do a modified conventional. What a surprise.
Tried to squat. Her first comment was about my bar position – too high on my back. But then she remembered my shoulder. Just don’t know if I should push through the pain of low bar or not. It feels like a tremendous strain on my shoulder since it has to work very hard to hold the weight in the absence of an upper back shelf.
I must admit that doing that steep hike yesterday did me no favors in today’s training. I was toasted squatting 95 lb. for a few reps. Muscles just didn’t want to work. Tried some front squatting for the hell of it. I like those. Just never enough days to get all the squatting in that I’d like to do.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
There’s no explosiveness with this lift. I like the rip and grip of conventional. But I will persevere. Honestly, I can’t imagine ever being nearly as strong in this position as I am with conventional.[/quote]
I’m not trying to be obtuse, but if your goal is to improve your total (win meets, set records etc) and you can’t ever see yourself lifting more than you can conventional, then what is the fascination with learning to pull sumo?
I don’t know much about power lifting to be able to add much but I’ll be snooping and learning. That goes for a lot of the logs here. Good luck learning Sumo.
[quote]FarmerBrett wrote:
I’m not trying to be obtuse, but if your goal is to improve your total (win meets, set records etc) and you can’t ever see yourself lifting more than you can conventional, then what is the fascination with learning to pull sumo?
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Not obtuse at all. My reasons are:
I may never be able to pull much sumo, but I want to give it a fair shot. It’s quite possible that I will train sumo and then head to the platform and pull conventional.
I’m enjoying the learning process. Sort of. Actually, I was a bit pissy after last night’s session.
I wouldn’t let the fact that your velocity is regular stance limit you using it sumo. I pulled sumo for a long time in a RS centurion. I also wouldn’t fight through the shoulder pain to get the bar lower on squats. It’s not worth re-injuring yourself.
Regarding getting your feet out to the plates, I’ve only just started doing that myself. I’ve always lined my shins up with the rings. I’m not sure how I would do feet to plates raw because the farther out your feet are, the more hip and groin seems to be involved. It seems good so far in a suit. I think you should throw your suit on and give it a go. I think you will be surprised how much easier it is to get to the bar.
btw, that hike looks like it was hard but stunning scenery.
[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:
I wouldn’t let the fact that your velocity is regular stance limit you using it sumo. I pulled sumo for a long time in a RS centurion. I also wouldn’t fight through the shoulder pain to get the bar lower on squats. It’s not worth re-injuring yourself.
Regarding getting your feet out to the plates, I’ve only just started doing that myself. I’ve always lined my shins up with the rings. I’m not sure how I would do feet to plates raw because the farther out your feet are, the more hip and groin seems to be involved. It seems good so far in a suit. I think you should throw your suit on and give it a go. I think you will be surprised how much easier it is to get to the bar.
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I was thinking about trying to DL in my wide stance Centurian rather than my conventional Velocity. I gotta break in the Velocity, though. And I’m not planning to move to low bar right now. I can do it, but it’s not a good pain.