Thought Charles Krauthammer had a good article about the latest fighting between Hamas and Israel.
“Why Was There War In Gaza? Hamas Lives To Destroy Israel”
snippet from his article:
“Why was there an Israel-Gaza war in the first place? Resistance to the occupation, say Hamas and many in the media.
What occupation? Seven years ago, in front of the world, Israel pulled out of Gaza. It dismantled every settlement, withdrew every soldier, evacuated every Jew, leaving nothing and no one behind.
Except for the greenhouses in which the settlers had grown fruit and flowers for export. These were left intact to help Gaza’s economy ? only to be trashed when the Palestinians took over.
Israel then declared its border with Gaza to be an international frontier, meaning that it renounced any claim to the territory and considered it an independent entity.
In effect, Israel had created the first Palestinian state ever, something never granted by fellow Muslims ? neither the Ottoman Turks nor the Egyptians who brutally occupied Gaza for two decades before being driven out by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day War.
Israel wanted nothing more than to live in peace with this independent Palestinian entity.
After all, the world had incessantly demanded that Israel give up land for peace. It gave the land. It got no peace.
The Gaza Palestinians did not reciprocate. They voted in Hamas, who then took over in a military putsch and turned their newly freed Palestine into an armed camp from which to war against Israel.
It has been war ever since.
Interrupted by the occasional truce, to be sure. But for Hamas a truce ? hudna ? is simply a tactic for building strength for the next round…”
“This is common knowledge yet imbeciles still come on here blowing their trombones about Israel being the bad guy.”
Come on now. Charles Krauthammer is a strong supporter of Israel, is Jewish, and was given a “Guardian of Zion Award.”
So let’s not act like that piece of biased literature is “common knowledge” just because it paints Israel with an innocent brush (and also happens to match your political views).
Besides, just because something is “common knowledge”, doesn’t mean it’s true.
[quote]Mind wrote:
“This is common knowledge yet imbeciles still come on here blowing their trombones about Israel being the bad guy.”
Come on now. Charles Krauthammer is a strong supporter of Israel, is Jewish, and was given a “Guardian of Zion Award.”
So let’s not act like that piece of biased literature is “common knowledge” just because it paints Israel with an innocent brush (and also happens to match your political views).
Besides, just because something is “common knowledge”, doesn’t mean it’s true.
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Very first post huh? I notice you don’t actually dispute anything in the article. You merely mention that the author is Jewish, supports Israel and then you suggest that what he says may not be true. Is there anything in the article you dispute?
Iran’s clients
Imagine if Hamas was backed by a nuclear state
…Think the Middle East is a complicated and dangerous neighborhood now? On the day that Iran declares to the world that it has bulled through Western red lines and is capable of building its first nuclear bomb, the Middle East will become immensely more dangerous and unstable. That day might be months - not years - off…[/quote]
Iran backed a nuclear facility that’s built in Syria with the help of North Koreans. The IDF destroyed the facility in 2007. Had Israel not acted then Iran would most likely already be a nuclear state. The world is a lot more dangerous and complicated than most people think.
I have no interest in political or religious debates to be frank.
I just see a lot of misconceptions on this forum about Islam and it kind of upsets me.
I feel it’s my duty to at least present an Islamic viewpoint on matters regarding Islam and Muslims.
I am no scholar or historian, so I will only speak with what the majority of Muslim scholars agreed upon.
Hope you don’t mind.
Forget about the article.
“Why was there a war in Gaza?” – Because Israel is in a state of war with Muslims.
“Hamas Lives To Destroy Israel” – Okay…
Even if Hamas was annihilated and Gaza got occupied,Israel will still be an enemy to the Muslims. There is no way around it but temporary peace deals with neighboring states. That’s about it.
You occupy land by force. You hold it by force. Why is that so hard to grasp? I’m pretty sure guys like pushharder and SexMachine already know this. So yea.
There is no “good” side and “bad” side in a war. It’s more like “your” side and “my” side if that makes sense. Women and children are being killed on both sides. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT. NONE.
But it is sad we live in times where children are considered “collateral” damage.
Israel doesn’t “occupy” Gaza. Gaza is Jew free. In fact, you could say more correctly that it’s occupied by the Arabs.
What a load of moral relativist bullshit.
Actually there is justification for that. When terrorists hide behind their own women and children and fire hundreds of rockets at you, you are justified in your attempts to kill said terrorists regardless of whether it may kill their children whom they hide behind. Understand? If I held a child in my arms and started shooting your family you would be justified in shooting me regardless of whether you killed the child in the process. What don’t you understand about that? Do you dispute it?
All I meant was, if you are an Israeli (or an ally), you believe you are on the “good” side. Same goes for the Muslims. Did I really need to tell you that?
Technically, there is a good side which we obviously won’t agree on. But I agree, relativism is bullshit.
It seems to me that throwing the word “terrorist” at any enemy to justify whatever action you are about to commit is fine these days.
The modern “State of Israel” was built on the modern definition of terrorism.
Let’s get this straight, Israel is in no position to call anyone a “terrorist”.
Last post in this thread for me. I said I don’t want political debates (our positions won’t change anyways, so why waste time).
Technically, there is a good side which we obviously won’t agree on.
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Oh, I see. Hamas is the good side. How silly of me.
Okay. The side that deliberately kills civilians. The side that straps high explosives, rat poison and ball bearings to retarded children and sends them out to massacre civilians based on their ethnicity. That’s the side we call “terrorists.”
The most humane military in the history of mankind is in no position to call people who massacre civilians and hide behind their own women and children terrorists?
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Last post in this thread for me. I said I don’t want political debates (our positions won’t change anyways, so why waste time).
[quote]Mind wrote:
“This is common knowledge yet imbeciles still come on here blowing their trombones about Israel being the bad guy.”
Come on now. Charles Krauthammer is a strong supporter of Israel, is Jewish, and was given a “Guardian of Zion Award.”
So let’s not act like that piece of biased literature is “common knowledge” just because it paints Israel with an innocent brush (and also happens to match your political views).
Besides, just because something is “common knowledge”, doesn’t mean it’s true.
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I don’t remember the Spaniards tearing out the hearts of thousands of their own young men for appeasement to one of their imaginary gods.[/quote]
I seem to remember the Spaniards burning thousands at the stake in the name of their imaginary God.[/quote]
Why do you think the Spaniards burned thousands at the stake? And, why do you think they believed in an imaginary God?[/quote]
A) The Inquisition, of which I’m sure you’re aware and B) for the same reasons that you think the Pagans believed in one[/quote]
Please post a source that shows thousands of people were burned at the stake.
Because there is only one God? That doesn’t make sense. And, that doesn’t answer the real question of how you know that these “thousands” we’re burned at the stake in the name of Jesus? …who was surely not imaginary and was in fact a real person, in account of many witnesses of his Life, Death, and Resurrection.