[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
vroom wrote:
I don’t know, what I see from the weasel words being used by the Syrian diplomats is really that they hope something will happen, but they don’t have the sack to actually make anything happen.
It was disgusting to watch these guys speak, and see how one sided it is. …
I agree 100%.
The Israelis are not clean but watching the Syrians talk made my skin crawl.
The whole world wanted the Syrians out of Lebanon, remember. We thought they were to much of an influence there.
We forgot how they came in to put an end to a civil war and were a stabilising factor. We just wanted them out.
We got what we wanted.
Now we want something else.
The Syrians have been destabilizing Lebanons legitimate government and supporting Hezbollahs attacks on Israel.
How can you pretend we miss their stabilizing factor?
They, along with Iran are causing the problems![/quote]
Some would say that Israel had something to do with the problems also.
Anyway, the Syrians had a mandate from the Arab leagea to enter Lebanon and they fought the Palestinian forces. Tey would have been able to restrain Hezbollah.
NO, Israel is hated because they are intruders. they should have been set up in Europe. what the hell did palastine do to deserve having their land stolen?
The Israelis have been there since they were chased out of Egypt and took it from the Canaanites ~ 2500 years ago. There are just a lot of them that came back post WW2.
It is their tradional home long before the Palestinians came into the picture.
It is a stupid argument anyway. The reality is they are there. They are not going anywhere.[/quote]
When are you vacating the US and returning it to the rightfull owners, the Indians? You can stay in my garage for a couple of weeks.
I know I know, that’s silly.
But it isn’t silly when the Jews play that card?
Why do you have so much sympathy for the Israeli, returning to their traditional home where they lived 2500 years ago, but not for they Palestinian, wanting to returne to their home, where they lived 60 years ago?
[quote]Patrick Williams wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
While the American public was sound asleep – prior to 9/11 – Uncle Sam was keepin’ busy in the Middle East. For instance, the first Gulf War never stopped. American jets flew over Iraq daily during the 90’s and bombed targets at their discretion.
You are either ignorant or just lying. The Northern and Southern No-Fly Areas over Iraq were established to protect the oppressed Kurds in the North and the oppressed Shia in the South. American planes dropped bombs when they were engaged by Saddam’s anti-aircraft batteries. This was done in accordance with UN guidelines. Look it up.
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Define “engaged”. Were any missiles fired? Or were US planes just lighted by radar?
Somehow my Imam is not impressed by you pointing out the subtle difference between your occupation and your supporting role. Go figure!
Why do you have so much sympathy for the Israeli, returning to their traditional home where they lived 2500 years ago, but not for they Palestinian, wanting to returne to their home, where they lived 60 years ago?[/quote]
NO, Israel is hated because they are intruders. they should have been set up in Europe. what the hell did palastine do to deserve having their land stolen?
The Israelis have been there since they were chased out of Egypt and took it from the Canaanites ~ 2500 years ago. There are just a lot of them that came back post WW2.
It is their tradional home long before the Palestinians came into the picture.
It is a stupid argument anyway. The reality is they are there. They are not going anywhere.
When are you vacating the US and returning it to the rightfull owners, the Indians? You can stay in my garage for a couple of weeks.
I know I know, that’s silly.
But it isn’t silly when the Jews play that card?
Why do you have so much sympathy for the Israeli, returning to their traditional home where they lived 2500 years ago, but not for they Palestinian, wanting to returne to their home, where they lived 60 years ago?[/quote]
How does this have anything to do with the statement, “The reality is they are there. They are not going anywhere”? I think then i will advocate the French reoccupying the region. TheY inhabited it 1000 years ago. Schweet Ohhh…maybe we can give it to the romans…oohhh the greeks…ohh i know lets give it to the vatican…
Why do you have so much sympathy for the Israeli, returning to their traditional home where they lived 2500 years ago, but not for they Palestinian, wanting to returne to their home, where they lived 60 years ago?
When was there a country of Palestine?
What form of government did they have?
Were they members of the League of Nations?[/quote]
Spoken like a true imperialist.
It is generally accepted that the people living on the land, own that land. Even if they don’t have the property papers that your government acknowledges.
Perahps you should read “hitchhikers guide to the galaxy”. Or is that forbidden over there?
NO, Israel is hated because they are intruders. they should have been set up in Europe. what the hell did palastine do to deserve having their land stolen?
The Israelis have been there since they were chased out of Egypt and took it from the Canaanites ~ 2500 years ago. There are just a lot of them that came back post WW2.
It is their tradional home long before the Palestinians came into the picture.
It is a stupid argument anyway. The reality is they are there. They are not going anywhere.
When are you vacating the US and returning it to the rightfull owners, the Indians? You can stay in my garage for a couple of weeks.
I know I know, that’s silly.
But it isn’t silly when the Jews play that card?
Why do you have so much sympathy for the Israeli, returning to their traditional home where they lived 2500 years ago, but not for they Palestinian, wanting to returne to their home, where they lived 60 years ago?
How does this have anything to do with the statement, “The reality is they are there. They are not going anywhere”? I think then i will advocate the French reoccupying the region. TheY inhabited it 1000 years ago. Schweet Ohhh…maybe we can give it to the romans…oohhh the greeks…ohh i know lets give it to the vatican…
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Ok then. Since you claim to have an eye for reality.
How about this reality: the Palestinians are pissed because someone stole their land.
This history goes back hundreds if not thousands of years and certainly didn’t begin in the first half of the 20th century. That’s pretty naive. But it’s pretty fashionable to blame America for everything wrong in the world.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Valentinius wrote:
How does this have anything to do with the statement, “The reality is they are there. They are not going anywhere”? I think then i will advocate the French reoccupying the region. TheY inhabited it 1000 years ago. Schweet Ohhh…maybe we can give it to the romans…oohhh the greeks…ohh i know lets give it to the vatican…
Ok then. Since you claim to have an eye for reality.
How about this reality: the Palestinians are pissed because someone stole their land.
The French have never inhabited Palestine though.[/quote]
A. Actually that wasn’t me, that was a quote. But one i support.
B. You never answered my question as to your alternate plan of annexation and the displacement of the current holders of Isreal
C. Correct…“The French” never inhabited palestine, however Frenchmen(or franks) did occupy strategic fortresses in palestine-notably Acre during the 11th century. And even more recently Napoleon crushed armies of the Ottoman Empire moving into what is now Isreal. Granted he wasn’t there for very long.
D. I think you missed out on a little thing called “sarcasm”
It is generally accepted that the people living on the land, own that land. Even if they don’t have the property papers that your government acknowledges.
Perahps you should read “hitchhikers guide to the galaxy”. Or is that forbidden over there?[/quote]
live on the land own the land, Isn’t that what is happening now. Why are you arguing for someone else to come in and take the land now? Or that it doesn’t belong to those living on it?
What does “hitchikers” have to do w/ anything? Me thinkest thou hast lost thine towel.
Zap Branigan wrote:
These attacks have been happening before we “occupied” any of these states.
Who did we “occupy” on 9/11?
Dude, I’m floored. I was under the impression that you had a fairly good knowledge of the history of American intervention. As such, I would have expected a justification rather than an outright denial from you. I can answer this question for you, if need be. Just let me know…[/quote]
Please claim we occupied Saudi Arabia so I can laugh at you.
NO, Israel is hated because they are intruders. they should have been set up in Europe. what the hell did palastine do to deserve having their land stolen?
The Israelis have been there since they were chased out of Egypt and took it from the Canaanites ~ 2500 years ago. There are just a lot of them that came back post WW2.
It is their tradional home long before the Palestinians came into the picture.
It is a stupid argument anyway. The reality is they are there. They are not going anywhere.
When are you vacating the US and returning it to the rightfull owners, the Indians? You can stay in my garage for a couple of weeks.
I know I know, that’s silly.
But it isn’t silly when the Jews play that card?
Why do you have so much sympathy for the Israeli, returning to their traditional home where they lived 2500 years ago, but not for they Palestinian, wanting to returne to their home, where they lived 60 years ago?[/quote]
Isn’t it silly when the Arabs try to play that card?
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Patrick Williams wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
While the American public was sound asleep – prior to 9/11 – Uncle Sam was keepin’ busy in the Middle East. For instance, the first Gulf War never stopped. American jets flew over Iraq daily during the 90’s and bombed targets at their discretion.
You are either ignorant or just lying. The Northern and Southern No-Fly Areas over Iraq were established to protect the oppressed Kurds in the North and the oppressed Shia in the South. American planes dropped bombs when they were engaged by Saddam’s anti-aircraft batteries. This was done in accordance with UN guidelines. Look it up.
Define “engaged”. Were any missiles fired? Or were US planes just lighted by radar?
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Missles were fired many times by the Iraqis.
How can you not know this?
Your selective ignorance of world events is astounding!
[quote]ExNole wrote:
Looking for two captured Israeli soldiers.
Hopefully they find them soon.
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What the media doesn’t tell you is that it was Israel who first broke the temporatory peace agreement between Hamas and Israel. They ( Israel) kidnaped some palistianins from Gaza. Funny isn’t we don’t hear a word on that.
The palistianins are being occupied by the Israelis, and yes the israeli’s recently moved out of Gaza but that move was for economic reasons on there part since they now will not have to take care to see that the palistianins are treated well.
Moreove given that Bush believes in the value of democracy, he’s and the gang from Israel are punishing the palistianin people for holding a free election in which they elected Hamas.
This brutality on Israeli part must stop and the only ones to stop it are in washington. Incidently from all of the above it doesn’t follow that the Holocaust didn’t happen nor that the jewish people don’t have a right to exist they do no doubt, arafat said as much many times, our press didn’t want to report that. Just look at UN resolution 242. Moreover just like our government under Bush especially plays off the fears of the people so does the israels. But many in israel and of course in palistine want and seek peace.
Its about time that our biased media starts telling the truth.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Please claim we occupied Saudi Arabia so I can laugh at you.
You don’t even know what occupied means.[/quote]
In the context of this debate, it is wholely irrelevant. People living under the rule of foreign invaders do not care to discuss the semantics of occupation. They know it when it enters their backyard and knocks on their door.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Missles were fired many times by the Iraqis.
How can you not know this?
Your selective ignorance of world events is astounding![/quote]
Can’t blame them for trying to defend their airspace. What the hell were American jets doing in Iraq in the first place? Certainly not defending the interests of this nation.
Israel has captured and imprisoned democratically-elected Palestinian leaders, and now is using the “kidnapping” of it’s own soldiers as a justification for exacting collective punishment on the Lebanese.
Kidnapping, you say? Since when are combatants in wartime “kidnapped,” rather than captured? Baloney, as Libertarian commentator Justin Raimondo points out in his usual, superb analysis.
This is surely one of the most threadbare excuses for a war ever uttered. One wonders how Israel’s spokesmen can say it with a straight face. Soldiers in wartime are captured, not “kidnapped.” If Hezbollah has “kidnapped” those two Israeli soldiers, then how do we describe the jailing of thousands of Palestinians, including hundreds of women and children, on the basis of their alleged sympathy for Hamas ? now the democratically elected government of Palestine? In any case, it appears, according to this report, that Hezbollah has some Israeli competition when it comes to the business of kidnapping.
When and where was this supposed to have happened? What I did hear Hamas claimed was that a family was killed by Israeli fire. Israel claimed what they found was a dud mortar and it exploded when someone picked it up.
It’s all propaganda with different sides. Almost like a he said she said. You have to look at the big picture to even hope to know what’s truly going on.
Kidnapping, you say? Since when are combatants in wartime “kidnapped,” rather than captured? Baloney, as Libertarian commentator Justin Raimondo points out in his usual, superb analysis.
This is surely one of the most threadbare excuses for a war ever uttered. [/quote]
If Israel is in a pre-existing state of war - which apparently it is, hence the kidnapping-capture argument - then Israel doesn’t need an excuse.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
If Israel is in a pre-existing state of war - which apparently it is, hence the kidnapping-capture argument - then Israel doesn’t need an excuse.
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No kidding.
I have to point out, again, that Israel had vacated the terrorities, in an attempt to work towards peace, and had been bombarded by missiles on an ongoing basis.
It looks to me that some Islamic factions are not interested in peace, but are certainly willing to claim how unfair it is when military might is applied against them for their own use of military might.
Hezbollah (sp?) can’t have it both ways. If it is at war, then it can’t bitch about being wiped out via warfare. If it isn’t at war, then it damned well needs to allow a peace to develop.
Topping it all off is the bullshit propaganda being put forth by Syria and Lebanon. I’m guessing the Lebanon president has no choice as otherwise the extremists will simply kill him. Perhaps Syria is just an extremist regime?