Israel and Smugglers/Aid Workers

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]NDucedStrength98 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]NDucedStrength98 wrote:
Well honestly bro, thats not something you kid about. I apologize for saying anything to offend you, but you really did offend me. Living in the United States, Muslims/Arabs are constantly being discriminated against, and i thought you were being sincere with that statement; once again, i apologize, but you should not make statements like that.[/quote]

You are in California and Arabs/Muslims are constantly being discriminated against? I live in Texas and Arabs/Muslims are not being discriminated against. They have the same opportunities that all other races or religions enjoy in this country.

Not trying to be an ass, but could you give us an example?[/quote]

Case #1: The Bay Area, CA: A Muslim woman said she received a death threat from a co-worker. Her supervisors treated it as a joke, but ultimately, she left the job because she didn�¢??t feel safe there any longer. (The San Francisco Chronicle, 10 November 2001)

Case #2: Cupertino, CA: A 34-year-old Jordanian-American technician was fired from his job of seven months making computer circuit boards. The week before September 11, his weekly evaluation was positive, as usual. However, the day following the terrorist attacks, his boss gave him his first negative review. Furthermore, his boss required him to report his whereabouts every half-hour. After a week, he lost his job in a series of layoffs. Although there were other layoffs, the company kept technicians with less seniority than his. (Newhouse News Service, 15 October 2001)

Case #3: Fontana, CA: A Muslim high school senior working at a fast-food restaurant was the repeated target of bias jokes from both his coworkers and his manager. At first, coworkers taunted him, asking why his �¢??cousins�¢?? destroyed the World Trade Center. Sometime later, his manager began teasing him as well. �¢??Hey, we�¢??re going to have to check you for bombs,�¢?? the manager joked, often in front of other employees. Days later, he was fired after he accidentally threw away a paper cup that the manager was using. The management said he was let go for �¢??performance deficiencies.�¢?? (The Los Angeles Times, 10 February 2002)

Case #4: Huntington Beach, CA: A doctor from Egypt was abruptly fired from his job at a medical center by his supervisor, who specifically mentioned the doctor�¢??s nationality and religion. The doctor thought of suing, but was worried it would hurt his chances of getting a green card. (This could threaten his future employment opportunities.) (The San Francisco Chronicle, 10 November 2001)

Case #5: Wilmington, NC: A nurse recently converted to Islam and came to work wearing the hijab (head scarf worn by some Muslim women to cover their hair and necks). A doctor called her to his office and said, �¢??You�¢??re being offensive to me and my clients.�¢?? She talked to the head manager who assured her not to worry, that they would discuss it the next day. The next morning, the head manager told her, �¢??I can�¢??t ask you to leave and it�¢??s not legal to fire you, but if you want to leave you can.�¢?? He also told her, �¢??If you don�¢??t cover your head everything will be OK.�¢?? (Reported to the ADC)

Need a source?

Those are some in California. And who said anything about work opportunities? I am talking about people who are being hateful, ironically, alot of these people are being hated on, in the work place.

Here is another.

Motaz Elshafi, 28, a software engineer, casually opened an internal e-mail at work last month. The message began, “Dear Terrorist.”
The note from a co-worker was sent to Muslims working at Cisco Systems in Research Triangle Park, N.C., a few days after train bombings in India that killed 207. The e-mail warned that such violent acts wouldn’t intimidate people, but only make them stronger.

More on the link:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-08-09-muslim-american-cover_x.htm

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I see your point, but it goes both ways. Those are cases of discrimination. Over 1,000,000 Christians a year are killed in Muslim nations. Calling might be discrimination, but Killing people for their religion is Murder.

By the way those incidents are almost a decade old. Have anything recent? [/quote]

No no no, you’re missing the point. Christians are tied to the west and therefor unpure. They must be killed in order to be saved.

They’re just doing them a favor. Tough love and all, you know?

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

I see your point, but it goes both ways. Those are cases of discrimination. Over 1,000,000 Christians a year are killed in Muslim nations. Calling might be discrimination, but Killing people for their religion is Murder.

By the way those incidents are almost a decade old. Have anything recent? [/quote]

No no no, you’re missing the point. Christians are tied to the west and therefor unpure. They must be killed in order to be saved.

They’re just doing them a favor. Tough love and all, you know?[/quote]

Wow. I definitely see your point.

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]NDucedStrength98 wrote:

Yea right buddy, never in a million years. Just because you haven’t seen or experienced any altercation, does not mean, it does not happen. Also what the hell does “Wordpress does not a source make.” mean? I guess you are trying to say its not a source, who the hell are you to say what is a source and what is not?[/quote]

My point was, that if racism against Muslims was as rampant as you would have us believe, then surely at some point during my 4 years living in an area with a high concentration of both Muslims and generally bigotted rednecks, then SURELY I would have at least heard someone call someone else a raghead at some point, but I observed no such occurence.

You cited a fucking blog (one which the owner didn’t even bother to get his own domain name!) as a source. I’m not being arbitrary, that shit wouldn’t pass as a source in the 3rd grade. You offered up a bunch of isolated 10-year old incidences, many of which could very well have been coincidences or someone playing the race card because they fucked up and didn’t like the consequences.
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Agreed x1000…and LOL at this dude for thinking a blog is a legitimate source. You’ve gotta be 10 years old and just learning about the interwebs…

What is the interwebs? I thought it was called the Information Super Highway and invented by Al Gore.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

If Norm Chomsky is to be introduced here for his vast reservoir of insight into the Israeli-Philistine discussion then so should Casey Kasem and his thoughts on Scooby Doo.[/quote]

This is getting ridiculous. I can respect that people disagree with Noam Chomsky on this issue. But to claim that he doesn’t have extensive knowledge on the subject is just beyond ignorant. In fact I’m sure even most knowledgeable supporters of Israels actions would have to admit that this guy has a lot of knowledge on the subject. To refer to this as propaganda is also just laughable. Espescially when you don’t back up the claim with anything more substantial than a failed attempt at comedy.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Stronghold wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

I see your point, but it goes both ways. Those are cases of discrimination. Over 1,000,000 Christians a year are killed in Muslim nations. Calling might be discrimination, but Killing people for their religion is Murder.

By the way those incidents are almost a decade old. Have anything recent? [/quote]

No no no, you’re missing the point. Christians are tied to the west and therefor unpure. They must be killed in order to be saved.

They’re just doing them a favor. Tough love and all, you know?[/quote]

Wow. I definitely see your point.[/quote]

Yea, God forbid they care about the rampant racism (which is 100% against people of my ethnicity), violence, and atrocities occurring in their own sh*thole countries but as soon as someone looks at a Muslim wrong over here, all hell breaks loose.

[quote]molnes wrote:
… Especially when you don’t back up the claim with anything more substantial than a failed attempt at comedy. [/quote]

You just summed up at least half his posts on T-Nation.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

Yeah, that must be it. Pusssssay.[/quote]

I thought it was called a spikenard, or something like that.

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
What is the interwebs? I thought it was called the Information Super Highway and invented by Al Gore.[/quote]
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[quote]molnes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

If Norm Chomsky is to be introduced here for his vast reservoir of insight into the Israeli-Philistine discussion then so should Casey Kasem and his thoughts on Scooby Doo.[/quote]

This is getting ridiculous. I can respect that people disagree with Noam Chomsky on this issue. But to claim that he doesn’t have extensive knowledge on the subject is just beyond ignorant. In fact I’m sure even most knowledgeable supporters of Israels actions would have to admit that this guy has a lot of knowledge on the subject. To refer to this as propaganda is also just laughable. Espescially when you don’t back up the claim with anything more substantial than a failed attempt at comedy. [/quote]

and an encyclopedia has a lot of facts but that doesn’t make it intelligent or its conclusions valid . . . . dang it - had a good analogy going there and blew it - encyclopedias don’t have conclusions . .but then again, technnically (since all of his are wrong) neither does Chomsky - saved in the end!! Whew!

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

Yeah, that must be it. Pusssssay.[/quote]

I thought it was called a spikenard, or something like that.[/quote]

ROFLMAO!!! have you heard the word? (insert Peter Griffin singing “the nard is the word”

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

Yeah, that must be it. Pusssssay.[/quote]

I thought it was called a spikenard, or something like that.[/quote]

ROFLMAO!!! have you heard the word? (insert Peter Griffin singing “the nard is the word”[/quote]

I have no clue who Peter Griffin is, and also have no clue where Push got the name Spikenard.

[quote]molnes wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

If Norm Chomsky is to be introduced here for his vast reservoir of insight into the Israeli-Philistine discussion then so should Casey Kasem and his thoughts on Scooby Doo.[/quote]

This is getting ridiculous. I can respect that people disagree with Noam Chomsky on this issue. But to claim that he doesn’t have extensive knowledge on the subject is just beyond ignorant. In fact I’m sure even most knowledgeable supporters of Israels actions would have to admit that this guy has a lot of knowledge on the subject. To refer to this as propaganda is also just laughable. Espescially when you don’t back up the claim with anything more substantial than a failed attempt at comedy. [/quote]

Nope, molne, when Chomsky’s wrong, he’s WRONG. He is a propagandist and the sooner you can realise and admit it, the sooner you can get busy and acquire some real information. on the other hand if you can’t tell lies from relaity, fact from fiction, dont’ be embarrassed - many people can’t. Of course, perhaps it’s just a HUUUUUGe coincidence that many of them happen to be Bill Ayre-channelling, progressive-left-voice-inhaling propagationists of sheer antiIsrael garbage, the European end of whom happen to have subscribed willingly to all of the Eurabia agreements, but hey, coincidences DO happen! Even in the Marxist, Saudi-financed settings of cough universities’ Middle East Departments, most of which are financed by -say, how did they slither in there again? - Saudi Arabians.

Where I simply must take issue is with your comment re what you call Push’s"failed attempt at comedy".

Au contraire my testosterone frere - Push nailed it. He nailed it so hard Casey Kasem could stick a piece of shaved metal in that hole and play some vinyl records around it.

Just to make the point - I know a hell of a lot about Israel’s actions and if Chomsky ever had anything useful to say about the subject - which he didnt’ - he drowned it in the dregs of a beer glass decades ago.

[quote]molnes wrote:
[Polls in most countries (if not all) show growing support for the Palestinians. Which isn’t really that weird. Them being occupied by an apartheid-like state and all. [/quote]

Actually it’s mroe to do with the fact that practically every country - especially America and those of Europe - ahve a lot more Muslims than they used to have. Euroep is practically stuffed full of Muslims and will have more this year diue to the Euro Mediterranean Dialogue.
With all these Muslims in the countries thers’ been a huge growth in organisations like CAIR, MPAC and various student groups like FAMSY (Muslims Brotherhood offshoot) and the MSA’s on each campus. Not to mention all the community groups, “peac” groups that work with union and Marxist groups etc. Alkl of whom hate Israel - mainloy becasue of its independence and open society.
And, you know, letting the Muslims run the holy site of the Temple Mount with their Waqf. No Jews are allowed to pray there doncha know, even though its only the holiest site in Judaism. Oh no, have to let Muslims control it, even if they do throw stones at the Jews praying down below at the wailing Wall.

It’s also to do with the fact that the Saudis are funding universities with Saudi money and antiIsrael propaganda through the MiddleEastern Studies Departments, setting up madrasas in Europe and in America, plus throwing money at a lot of cultural type events to propagandise against Israel. This is has been going on since the late 1960s, crystallised during the OPEC years and has increased in effect over the last several decades.

It’s also to do wtih the fact that Marxism has taken hold of various countries and have built some of the most malevolent knownothing professional wankers in the history of bureaucracy. (I’m too tired to define this further).
But most of it’s down to money and oil as usual.

Apologies for typos - I dont’ know what’s happened to my mad typing skillZ…

its the PWI flu - screws up perfectly good typerists . . . .