[quote]ESX wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
To Zraw. Are these supposed to be something thats added every few weeks to create a shock or extra intensity? Or are they ment to replace normal DB/cable/machine laterals with a full ROM?
Basicaly can they be done every week or are they best used in place of drop sets etc?
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You can use them every week imo
Zraw, as far as weight selection goes, how much do you use on the partial laterals in comparison what you could do with a strict lateral raise?
I’ve been doing these regularly but I feel like I may be over zealous in my weight selection.
People often talk about making sure to internally rotate the shoulder joint to keep the front delts from taking over the middle’s work.
As an alternative though, I think bending forward creates pretty much the same effect, yet allows you to keep externally rotated to avoid impingement.
Having a prone torso and doing flies is for rear delts, so doing something halfway between upright laterals and prone laterals should move away from the front and recruit more middle.
If you end up going too far and recruit lots of rear, it also probably won’t end the world.
[quote]krazykoukides wrote:
Zraw, as far as weight selection goes, how much do you use on the partial laterals in comparison what you could do with a strict lateral raise?
I’ve been doing these regularly but I feel like I may be over zealous in my weight selection.[/quote]
I use 70 or 75s in the video I’m not sure but I usually use the 60s for 30reps or something
In comparison, I use the 20s for lateral raises… but I do my lateral raises with a controlled negative, which a lot of people say they do, but dont
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Alright, cool, thanks man.
Those videos really help drive your point home too. 
Just curious about your lateral raise form… two things stood out: 1) you seemed to be going straight out to your sides, rather than sticking in the “scapular plane”, 2) you had the front end higher than the back, rather than the other way around.
Do you do it that way on purpose, or is it just how you’re used to doing them?
(I ask because the form advice I’ve seen is different than that… but obviously what you’re doing is working.)
[quote]zraw wrote:
Tried these today after seeing this post.
These were very effective as a finishing movement for medial delts. Strangely, there wasn’t a lot of soreness during the exercise, but as soon as I put down the dumbbells my delts burnt like hell.
I only used 50lb dumbbells - these were more than enough
I tried the heavy partials and reading the weights ya’ll are using, all I can say is that I’ve got some work to do.
After the set, I had to consciously tell my arm not to raise up. I think I got the right muscle working.
[quote]LoRez wrote:
Just curious about your lateral raise form… two things stood out: 1) you seemed to be going straight out to your sides, rather than sticking in the “scapular plane”, 2) you had the front end higher than the back, rather than the other way around.
Do you do it that way on purpose, or is it just how you’re used to doing them?
(I ask because the form advice I’ve seen is different than that… but obviously what you’re doing is working.)[/quote]
I dont put much focus on what end is higher tbh… i make sure my head is tilted back to isolate traps out of the movement and going to the side does the same thing for front delts
Glad the videos are helping!! Ill try to film as much as i can offseason
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
Tried these today after seeing this post.
These were very effective as a finishing movement for medial delts. Strangely, there wasn’t a lot of soreness during the exercise, but as soon as I put down the dumbbells my delts burnt like hell.
I only used 50lb dumbbells - these were more than enough
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How many reps did you do? It is supposed to be pretty high rep. Many examples that JM has given have the rep range over 30 along with dropping the weight in half and burning out another immediate set for the same amount of reps.
EDIT: I am referring more to the DB swings than the heavy partials I guess. Similar but different.
[quote]Mateus wrote:
[quote]PimpBot5000 wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
Tried these today after seeing this post.
These were very effective as a finishing movement for medial delts. Strangely, there wasn’t a lot of soreness during the exercise, but as soon as I put down the dumbbells my delts burnt like hell.
I only used 50lb dumbbells - these were more than enough
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How many reps did you do? It is supposed to be pretty high rep. Many examples that JM has given have the rep range over 30 along with dropping the weight in half and burning out another immediate set for the same amount of reps.
EDIT: I am referring more to the DB swings than the heavy partials I guess. Similar but different.[/quote]
Heavy partials are also high reps (25-35) just no weight drop
I do a hybrid upright row/lateral delt dumbell raise where I feel more of a squeezy and pump in my lateral delts than I ever have doing anything else.
I start with dumbells close together at the bottom and focusing on raising my pinkies through my elbows I pull up and out till my arms are perpendicular to my torso and the bdells are much further apart than they started.
That said I have no interest in isolation, and I’d say that I get quite a bit of upper trap activation, intentionally, similarly my delts look nothing like Zraws so I’d do what he recommends as he looks to be smuggling bowlingballs subQ.
Just sharing another variation.
@Zraw When doing heavy partials should i let the db’s hit my thigh on the negative or should stop the db’s and raise them up again before they touch the body? I can’t really tell from the videos of you or JM doing them
[quote]DanielDJ wrote:
@Zraw When doing heavy partials should i let the db’s hit my thigh on the negative or should stop the db’s and raise them up again before they touch the body? I can’t really tell from the videos of you or JM doing them[/quote]
Usually im able to control them at the start but by rep 12-15 they bounce a little loll
Its really just a matter of : do these fuckers still burn? Yes? Good
you guys i just found out a better way to hit the side delt.
lateral raise partials are great. i prefer doing lateral raises with medium to light weight where the rom slowly decreases. i think the best stimulation comes not from just getting reps but from struggling against the weight. the thing i just found that i wanted to share is that when you are doing partials and your rom decreases you can recover it by going unilateraly. not because one arm is getting a few seconds of rest, but you can somehow go past that sticking point and it really feels good.
looking at the one armed lateral raise it looks inferior and off balanced but it isnt.
i also love cable lateral raise partials. i can focus on my side delt and get a painful cold burn. plus i can manipulate the pulley with my other hand