The term is inelegant, but it has some roots in history in that fascism and radical Islam have common intellectual roots:
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2007_09_09-2007_09_15.shtml#1189564059
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
The term is inelegant, but it has some roots in history in that fascism and radical Islam have common intellectual roots:
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2007_09_09-2007_09_15.shtml#1189564059[/quote]
They do share similarities, that’s for sure.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
The term is inelegant, but it has some roots in history in that fascism and radical Islam have common intellectual roots:
The Volokh Conspiracy - - [/quote]
What is RADICAL Islam? How does it differ from just plain old bread-and-butter Islam?
Does radical Islam refer to those who take it seriously? Does it refer to those who take the principles to their extreme logical conclusions?
If Islam and radical Islam are different, why do they share the same name? If the differences are minute enough so that both fall under the common name of Islam, then they are basically just the same stuff.
Could this be why you don’t see thousands of Muslims in the streets denouncing the maniacs who kill in the name of Allah, but DO see those thousands when someone publishes cartoons of the Prophet with a bomb in his turban?
[quote]pookie wrote:
ItemFix - Social Video Factory [/quote]
Great piece. This guy should go on national TV.
“Islamists” and “Jihadists” cover it well enough. Though, as pointed out there was an exchange of ideas between the Nazis and Islamists. The Protocols are huge over there. You’ll see some anti-jew nazi cartoon images reproduced almost exactly, also.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
What is RADICAL Islam? How does it differ from just plain old bread-and-butter Islam?
Does radical Islam refer to those who take it seriously? Does it refer to those who take the principles to their extreme logical conclusions?
If Islam and radical Islam are different, why do they share the same name? If the differences are minute enough so that both fall under the common name of Islam, then they are basically just the same stuff.[/quote]
The only good Muslims are the “bad” Muslims. They’re the ones who have been secularized. If you were a fundamentalist Muslim you would be out doing that which we identify with the radicals. This is no different with Christians though. The only reason Christians aren’t out committing extremist acts is because damn near the entire faith has become secularized. Sorry HH, but you’re a shitty Christian. But guess what? That’s a good thing. Islam is no more a religion of peace than Christianity is. They really aren’t all that different. This is why American Muslims are generally a good bunch.
Take Lixy for an example. You hosers think it’s cute to call the guy a terrorist and other silly shit, but Lixy isn’t going to go kill anyone, even when his text demands it. But that’s because Lixy is a sucky Muslim (sorry Lixy, but it’s true). That’s okay though. I consider myself a Christian, but I’m a pretty crappy one. The difference between Lixy and a fundy Muslim is that when it comes down to listening to his head or listening to his faith, I’ll bet good money he’s going with his head.[quote]
Could this be why you don’t see thousands of Muslims in the streets denouncing the maniacs who kill in the name of Allah, but DO see those thousands when someone publishes cartoons of the Prophet with a bomb in his turban?
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I would take those protests with a grain of salt. The bulk of these “protests” are government sponsored and or the participants are paid. There are few who are genuinely outraged. Even those that are outraged, few are so much so that they’ll kill.
mike
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Take Lixy for an example. You hosers think it’s cute to call the guy a terrorist and other silly shit, but Lixy isn’t going to go kill anyone, even when his text demands it. But that’s because Lixy is a sucky Muslim (sorry Lixy, but it’s true). That’s okay though. I consider myself a Christian, but I’m a pretty crappy one. The difference between Lixy and a fundy Muslim is that when it comes down to listening to his head or listening to his faith, I’ll bet good money he’s going with his head. [/quote]
Now this is insane. Not because I would have the arrogance to call myself an example of piety, but because you think one can’t reconcile faith and reason. There is an abundance of passages in the Quran that urge people to use reason. In fact, if anything (besides the pillars) doesn’t pass the acid test of logic you should drop it.
Murderous scum don’t listen to their faith. They listen to what their “guru” tell them to do. Be it the mad caveman with the long beard or the public-speech challenged Texan.
And there is ample evidence of that.
(watch the whole 6 parts. Brilliant production!)
Freedom of speech should never have to reference itself to the idea of respect. And those leaders scare the hell out of me. Go Danish Go! Lol@ Soviet Union reference.
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
What is RADICAL Islam? How does it differ from just plain old bread-and-butter Islam?
Does radical Islam refer to those who take it seriously? Does it refer to those who take the principles to their extreme logical conclusions?
If Islam and radical Islam are different, why do they share the same name? If the differences are minute enough so that both fall under the common name of Islam, then they are basically just the same stuff.
The only good Muslims are the “bad” Muslims. They’re the ones who have been secularized. If you were a fundamentalist Muslim you would be out doing that which we identify with the radicals. This is no different with Christians though. The only reason Christians aren’t out committing extremist acts is because damn near the entire faith has become secularized. Sorry HH, but you’re a shitty Christian. But guess what? That’s a good thing. Islam is no more a religion of peace than Christianity is. They really aren’t all that different. This is why American Muslims are generally a good bunch.
Take Lixy for an example. You hosers think it’s cute to call the guy a terrorist and other silly shit, but Lixy isn’t going to go kill anyone, even when his text demands it. But that’s because Lixy is a sucky Muslim (sorry Lixy, but it’s true). That’s okay though. I consider myself a Christian, but I’m a pretty crappy one. The difference between Lixy and a fundy Muslim is that when it comes down to listening to his head or listening to his faith, I’ll bet good money he’s going with his head.
mike[/quote]
I think you might want to read some basic Christian theology, or just the Gospels…
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
The term is inelegant, but it has some roots in history in that fascism and radical Islam have common intellectual roots:
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2007_09_09-2007_09_15.shtml#1189564059
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No, it’s not “inelegant,” it’s stupid and politicized, just like “WMD.” And just like “WMD,” take a look at the people that use it the most: neo-cons and other jingoes.
Islamists and Nazis may both hate Jews and democracy, but Sunni extremists calling for a caliphate are by definition not “fascists.”
And it’s a dangerous term because it conflates a host of different strains of militant Islam into one “Islamofascist” enemy, when we should be doing the exact opposite, dealing with each situation on its own merits and, ideally, playing different factions in Islam against each other.
[quote]GDollars37 wrote:
Islamists and Nazis may both hate Jews and democracy, but Sunni extremists calling for a caliphate are by definition not “fascists.”
And it’s a dangerous term because it conflates a host of different strains of militant Islam into one “Islamofascist” enemy, when we should be doing the exact opposite, dealing with each situation on its own merits and, ideally, playing different factions in Islam against each other.[/quote]
Good points, but if the Muslims did have a Caliphate, it would be set up like a Fascist government.
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BostonBarrister wrote:
The term is inelegant, but it has some roots in history in that fascism and radical Islam have common intellectual roots:
http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2007_09_09-2007_09_15.shtml#1189564059
GDollars37 wrote:
No, it’s not “inelegant,” it’s stupid and politicized, just like “WMD.” And just like “WMD,” take a look at the people that use it the most: neo-cons and other jingoes.
Islamists and Nazis may both hate Jews and democracy, but Sunni extremists calling for a caliphate are by definition not “fascists.”
And it’s a dangerous term because it conflates a host of different strains of militant Islam into one “Islamofascist” enemy, when we should be doing the exact opposite, dealing with each situation on its own merits and, ideally, playing different factions in Islam against each other.[/quote]
You’re criticizing the use of the term - my comment related to the term itself. The term isn’t stupid in that it is historically based - the overuse and/or misuse of it doesn’t change that fact. It’s inelegant because it’s not very precise and doesn’t capture the exact historical influence - but how many terms are that precise?
It doesn’t have to conflate the various strains of militant Islams any more than calling them all militant Islam does. It’s the use of the term you find problematic, which is fine.
BTW, someone who throws around the term “neo-con” shouldn’t throw stones…
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
BTW, someone who throws around the term “neo-con” shouldn’t throw stones…[/quote]
That is probably the most inaccurately used term in this forum.
Most people use it as if it were like a super-evil conservative.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
BTW, someone who throws around the term “neo-con” shouldn’t throw stones…
That is probably the most inaccurately used term in this forum.
Most people use it as if it were like a super-evil conservative.[/quote]
Word! From now on they will be called pro-government conservatives – or to shorten it, pro-go-cons.
What is wrong with these people?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
What is wrong with these people?[/quote]
Where do you want to start?
Besides, she got off easy in most islamic countries she’d have probably gotten death.
[quote]lixy wrote:
pookie wrote:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ead_1195057244
Great piece. This guy should go on national TV.[/quote]
Great ? its fuckin brilliant. Its the goddamn truth.