Sometimes, I feel like there is a serious misunderstanding of God, by people. If your understanding of God is that you are his equal, I think something has been lost in translation(edit: or pride). “OMG God even killed babies!!” Bro, wait until you read about Noah’s flood. God killed just about everyone…that doesn’t mean it’s not sinful and wrong for YOU to do it.
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I was going to let this lay, butI just cannot allow this misinterpretation to go uncontested. There is no way an honest person can read Number chapter 5 and come to that conclusion. I assume @mnben87 has read the passage a few times. I suggest he reread it. Consider 1 Cor 1:22, “For the Jews require a sign,…” God gave them signs to know when He wanted the nation of Israel to pay attention (while He was dealing with the nation of Israel. God is not dealing with the nation of Israel during the dispensation of the Church.)
When the defiled woman drank the water that became bitter in her and caused the curse, now read verse 27. It is after the curse that “her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot.” the entire congregation will see the cursed woman with a belly swollen like she is with child, but there will never come forth a child for “the woman shall be a curse among her people.” This is a sign to the nation of Israel to know that the LORD of seedtime and harvest has commandments that yield consequences.
But the woman who is not defiled and has drank the water, “she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.” This undefiled woman shall definitely conceive and birth a child.
There is absolutely no notion of any abortion occurring. The defiled woman’s belly swells after drinking the water that turns bitter in her belly. And she is sterilized (thigh shall rot). She will be denied a gift that women of the nation of Israel cherished, yet she will always look like she is pregnant. Numbers chapter 5 isn’t about abortion, it’s about conception.
Show me where any sane person can read “abortion” anywhere in Numbers chapter 5.
I will always defend the word of God
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Given the things that are OK for people to do according to the Bible, we might be equal to god.
God doesn’t need anyone to defend him. That’s what causes people to fly airplanes into buildings.
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That is not the God of the Bible.
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That’s a matter of interpretation.
“Rightly dividing the word of truth” would greatly assist proper interpretation. (2 Tim 2:15)
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You used a lowercase G here, so I assume you’re playing with words as usual. But, if you’re being serious, what “things” are you talking about?
The god of the Bible, like the gods of the ancients, basically behaved like people.
There are numerous gods of the Bible mentioned. And I agree.
That doesn’t answer the question I asked…
Why are we discussing religion regarding the supreme court decision to overturn roe v Wade? It has nothing to do with the ruling. I’m not saying this because of a thread derail, but I don’t get why this debate ends up in Bible study everytime it’s had.
Disregarding the ruling and speaking about abortion as a whole, I’m Catholic, but I can’t quote scripture to convince an atheist that abortion is immoral. Its ineffective. Morality isn’t exclusive to the religious and we have to explain it in a way that doesn’t rely on faith.
Most of the time I see us down this rabbit hole it was brought on by a leftist. “Keep your Bible off my body!” Then a comment about a perceived contradiction in the bible that makes all sin including abortion okay. Don’t fall for the trap.
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There’s not much else to talk about when Roe v. Wade is brought up. There’s no defending it from a constitutional/legal standpoint, so religion is much more interesting.
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You could talk about it as the flagship for making personal health decisions fodder for public policy makers.
Or that its a subject of convenience for the Democratic party, who relied on a supreme court ruling for 50 years instead of actually codifying federal protection of the procedure into law.
But how much fun is that?
Id bet $1000.00 that nobody here ever even looked at it from those angles.
(Not a real bet. I’d have to sell a kidney if I lost.)
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I certainly haven’t, because it was so horrendous from a legal/constitutional standpoint. I’ll agree with your points though.
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The Catholic position on abortion is not based on scripture. It was influenced by Aristotle as much as it was the Bible.
I really need to post less.
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If it’s not based on scripture, it was influenced as much by me as it was the Bible.
That’s how the popes thought.
https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/06/08/reviews/percy-abortion.html
Pretty short read. Any thoughts? I’ve only read one of Percy’s books but enjoyed his style.
EDIT: Thoughts, as in, on what he’s saying, not on his writing skills. My third sentence is the original post maybe isn’t really necessary for the topic at hand.
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