Very good point.
As it is in every decision I have ever made in my life. All are based on my truths.
It looks like you want to fall back to “rational” discussion. I am an extremely rational person. All my decisions in my life since I was 25 years old have been rational. I am not saying they have all been flawless, but they have all been based on clear thought and how I understand the surrounding realities.
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@H_factor I have a serious inquiry. You said sex education should be pushed hard to reduce unwanted pregnancies resulting from poor sexual decisions. As stated previously, I believe who a young woman allows to get on top of her will be one of the most important decisions she makes.
I have a daughter and plenty of experience being around women and in my younger years saw no shortage of stupid, even potentially dangerous, sexual decisions of women/girls as young as fourteen years old.
We all went through sex (“health”) ed.
Do you believe sex education is the way to reduce young women’s poor sexual decisions versus shame (crudely referred to as “slut shaming”, a term I don’t use), stigmatization, and protection and surveillance by family members?
Perhaps @planetcybertron can contribute in this, in an honest manner, considering she’s one of the few females who visits PWI and appears to be genuine.
IMO, sex ed alone isn’t enough. Did you and your peers have easy access to birth control (I think both hormonal and barrier should be available). Sex ed tells one they should us birth control to avoid pregnancy, but if you don’t have access to it, that isn’t enough.
IIRC, Colorado saw a notable reduction (50% reduction) in teen pregnancies when they increased the access of birth control.
Thanks Brick!
I definitely don’t mind chiming in! I’ll come back with at least my own experiences and opinion on the matter. Thanks for tagging me!
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I don’t recall.
This is a point but I do not know of any sexual education programs that tells young women, regardless of access to birth control, to not give up sex:
- Until you’re of the appropriate age to possibly care for a child if you do get pregnant.
- To men who want to use you for sex.
- To men that might be attractive but otherwise are an inappropriate fit for you and your family.
- To men who want to “pump and dump” you.
- To criminals and anti-social men who will likely abandon your kid.
- To men who put you in a position in which you are outnumbered physically, pressured, and under the influence (yes, I’ve been around in the same house but did not participate and heard plenty of stories).
Anyone know of such programs that include this?
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It was a huge part of my Baptist school curriculum. Went past that list to include only having sex after marriage.
But, in regards to sex ed, it seems out of scope. Maybe a separate class could teach some of this stuff though.
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Do you think that can override young women’s attraction to such men and excitement and succumbing to peer pressure versus the “old-fashioned” means that worked moderately well in the past? I’m being serious.
I only have to examples to go over for now. First, my uncle told me of a story in which my aunt went with the wrong guy. My granddad scared the daylights out of her.
The end.
Second, a co-worker told me that she once went out with a poor fit for a considerable amount of time. Her dad called the guy up, said, “Come near my daughter again and…”.
The end.
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I guess comparing wokeism to religion is not a stretch after all.
Are you talking about the proposed separate class, or the religious schooling?
I’m referring to this.
See my edits above in my last post.
I don’t think in many cases that only one of these is present. I think most women know about how to minimize chances of being pregnant and also that most women are under social pressures in some form to not be promiscuous. The social pressures have been in place a long time, at this point I think most teenagers know about the different forms of birth control. I think the variable that is able to be tweaked the most at this point is access to birth control. I think people are going to have sex, and some people are going to be promiscuous (and if women want to be, most can be quite successful at it).
Maybe it is different other places, but I know for a fact health departments in TN and MS offer free condoms and birth control pills. And you can access them at 14-15 years old. I am not sure how much more you can make them accessible.
Birth control is insanely cheap and in most cases free.
Colleges also hand it out freely.
Yes and plenty of them are successful because, instead of male authority regulating sex, Big Daddy Government has stepped in and women and their fatherless kids can become wards of the state.
They are also successful because men in the West no longer regulate sex and society now accepts promiscuity and sexual misconduct. Therefore there is no stigmatization or shame that actually works anymore.
America is a pornography-riddled country and sexual indecency is all over the place. Do you think this provide any social pressure at all?
Men in the West are now obsessed with female validation and approval even to their own detriment.
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It’s too late. Parents cannot regulate their children’s lives to the point they will never be in a situation where they can have sex. In some Muslim majority countries they can keep their daughters confined to the home and only allow them out in public with a chaperone. That won’t happen here although there was a time when it did happen here. I have known older women who were not allowed to go out on dates unless a family member accompanied them but that was a different time and their cultural heritage had not been compromised by American values yet.
Add to the logistical issues the fact that kids are exposed to sex, not romance but sex, as a completely normal experience that is acceptable for its own sake. Take that terrible song WAP and ask who was it marketed towards. The answer is adolescent and teenage girls and boys. Selling sex to children makes money and that’s all that matters. It’s also why it’s too late to change things.
We want laws to keep 18 year olds from purchasing guns to prevent mass shootings in schools even though the number of victims of these shootings is relatively low. I’m not saying we shouldn’t have these laws but porn is far more more damaging to young people, in terms of numbers, than mass shootings, but what are we doing to keep kids from seeing some of the most perverse, misogynistic and creepy images porn creators can think of? As a teacher, I’ve been privy to the conversations kids have with one another and parents would be shocked by what comes out of their children’s mouths.
With this in mind, I think we have to do the best we can given the conditions and that means sex ed and contraception. And parents need to set an example at home. Fathers need to be an example of what a real man is for their daughters. I believe studies have shown girls who grow up without fathers are more likely to be teen moms.
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All correct. @zecarlo
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Clearly “guessing” isn’t your long suit.
Because I prefer being rational.
Don’t we all?