Seedtime and harvest.
I wish!
I can’t believe we are arguing the rights for a pregnant woman to get drunk, over and over.
Has any woman been arrested for drinking while pregnant (DWP)? Is there a written law that you know of in any state? I just don’t know.
Though, considering the scientific evidence, it is a bad idea. What about smoking while pregnant? Is that against the law?
Has any woman been arrested for not eating a sufficient diet to support the unborn child?
As I see it nothing has changed. The woman has the same rights she always had. The difference now is that she is more aware of the consequences to the baby.
I don’t see how this makes her obligated to to remain plugged in. Why do you think she has this obligation from a rights perspective?
Let’s say the child is already born. Should the parents be obligated by law to donate a kidney if the child needs it? That would be consistent with your line of reasoning.
Of course most parents would do that, but should they be forced to?
You are looking at this from a lens that is pre overturning of Roe. In some states, it looks like without Roe that it may be illegal. If one were to drink enough to kill the fetus, that may be illegal post Roe in some states.
All of this could have been enacted while Roe v Wade was enforce, and before. “May” and “might” is not a good argument IMO.
Because murder is inherently wrong.
That is not the same as requiring the mother to not actively KILL her kid.
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There are about 20 states that have such laws, mostly in the form of ‘child abuse’ laws. Are There Laws Against Serving Alcohol to Pregnant Women?
But, as the link states at the end, convictions are ‘rare’.
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My arguement is unborn…what you are saying about a born baby is not the same thing
Strawman arguement
That is semantics. Abortion could be performed in which the child dies on its own. Cut the umbilical cord on the mothers side for example. The unborn dies on its own.
So the unborn have more rights than the born?
It also wasn’t a straw man argument. A straw man would be me misrepresenting your argument. This was me asking a counter question to sort out if your thinking was consistent. I found out that it is consistent if the unborn have more rights than the born. If you don’t think that, then it is inconsistent thinking unless I am missing something.
Another interesting thing to me is most of the people I know personally that are screeching about Roe being overturned were the same ones demanding people be vaccinated against their will for the greater good and wear masks under threat of criminal prosecution.
They don’t make it easy on themselves or help their cause.
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That’s still taking an ACTIVE step to kill the baby.
I’ve been having fun all day on Facebook asking the people screaming about women’s rights to define “women”.
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We could also just stop feeding or watering prisoners in jail cells. That logically follows.
All humans have rights…the unborn needs the mothers body to live
The born do not need the mothers body to live
Until the mothers right to life is infringed upon, the unborn has the right to live
The born also has the right to live…that may have nothing to do with the mother
I am still waiting on the justification of why the woman has any obligation to host the unborn? I haven’t seen it.
I see that as apples and oranges because it misses why women have the right to not support the unborn. Personal autonomy. If the guards had to be connected to the prisoners to feed them, then it would be close to apples to apples.
They might if they need a kidney. What if the born do need the mother’s body to live? Do we force a kidney donation?
I am a strong believer in consistent thinking being the best approach. What you answer to the above matters in sorting out if it is consistent thinking.
How about she is the one that got pregnant…that makes her obligated to be the host
Disagree. You need to show that she has an obligation to the host. There is no contract when one has sex that they have to carry a child to birth.
I don’t think anyone has any right in any circumstance to be supported by others. Especially in a situation created by your own hand, if an unborn baby doesn’t.
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That is consistent (unless I read it wrong).