Is This the End of Roe v. Wade?

I don’t disagree here, but this should be applied to other areas as well.

Death row / life inmates - off them all immediately and save the tax payers money. People on life support draining tax money? Turn it all off.

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Partly agree.

It usually cost the tax payer more money to execute.

Additionally I am against this because we have murdered people who turn out later to be very likely not the right person.

If we can be certain, and it saved money, then I am fine with it.

Agree if it is shown they are brain dead.

I kinda think after a certain age, we should only administer pain meds. Something like 50% of a person’s life time health care costs are in their last 6 months of living. I guess I think this if on insurance or on government health care. If you want to pay on your own feel free. Kinda a tangent though.

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The kidney does not have to be the mothers

And your arguement is not the same…like i said apples and oranges

Only because of the insane number of appeals, which you have no constitutional right to.

With today’s science that is so rare it is barely measurable. 30-40 years ago? Sure.

Brain dead or can’t pay - sorry things cost money.

There is often not enough organs to go around. It might have to be the mothers if you want to have one before the child dies.

How so? It is to sort out consistent thinking.

You are making no sense…no offense

watching the new elvis movie

Over and out

Is alcoholism a sickness or not? If a sickness, no court would rule intent to abort. Ladies, drink up!

More screeching.

Madness.

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Okay I’ll rehash.

  1. The born and unborn have equal rights

  2. If the unborn have rights to the mother, so do the born (given it doesn’t kill the mother)

  3. The born requires a kidney donation and no other is available besides the mother’s kindney

  4. The mother should be forced to donate a kidney

I think that is consistent. Where it wouldn’t be consistent is if you disagreed with #4.

It could be consistent if you didn’t agree with #4, if you also didn’t agree with #1, specifically that the unborn have more rights than the born.

Or you could take my line of reasoning that neither the born or unborn have rights to the mother’s body.

Sounds like “from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs”

Brick, those videos are hilarious.

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Can’t wait for the remixes.

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If a pregnant woman attempts suicide, should she be charged with attempted murder?

Anyway, the majority of anti abortion people are hypocrites. The Catholic Church is one of the most hypocritical voices of them all.

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So are the majority of pro-abortion people.

They were the first ones screaming to have people forcibly vaccinated and to wear masks under criminal penalty.

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They are celebrating St. Patrick’s Day!!! :shamrock: :four_leaf_clover:

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That is a fair point.

Same for those that want to ban guns, but legalize weed. Or allow guns and keep the ban on weed. I’ve observed lots of thinking like this.

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I doubt that the number of people who supported that, was close to the number of people who are anti abortion.

I don’t see the connection. Anti abortion people argue about the sanctity of life but don’t apply that to other areas. It’s quite the opposite at times.

If you believe in the value of human life so strongly that you apply it to the unborn, then you should be for universal healthcare for example. You should be against the death penalty and any preemptive wars. You might even need to re-examine your position on stand your ground laws.

The logic that includes a kidney donation is highly flawed IMO.

The only right a person who needs a kidney has is the right to accept a kidney from a willing donor. If there is no willing donor there is no right.

Can you explain why it is highly flawed?

So this to me means you disagree with #4. To be consistent I think you would have to say that neither the unborn or the born have rights to the mothers body (my position), or that the unborn has rights to the mothers body that the born does not (greater rights). If you choose the latter, I would think you would need to provide some sort of justification for the unequal rights between the born and unborn.

I’ll paste the 4 points here: