Oh, I was referring to the border patrol decision.
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That is fair, but it doesn’t seem right that a woman doesn’t have the rights to do things to her body that a man does. I believe in some states self induced abortions are illegal. If a man were to do the same things to his body, it would be legal. That doesn’t seem consistent with the idea that we are equals.
IMO, it ought to be unconstitutional for citizens of the US to not have equal rights to each other.
I also agree with this.
Ideally, I would want to see a constitutional amendment to protect abortion rights.
I hear that. But the problem with framing it in terms of ‘equal rights’ is that women and men don’t share the same responsibilities/burdens in reproduction. And you have some decisions that require one person to make a decision, when it took two people to create the situation, right?
So if we frame it as an equal rights issue, and then we say ‘women have the right to terminate a pregnancy as they wish’… then what do you do if a man decides he wants the pregnancy terminated, and the woman doesn’t? It’s inherently an unequal situation, SOMEONE has to have the dominant/deciding voice, there’s no majority between two people to make a decision.
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My opinion is that the man isn’t granted rights to the decision, because abortion rights aren’t supported by the “right” to want or not want a child, but rights to privacy (bodily autonomy). The woman gets the choice because to deny it to her takes away her bodily autonomy. The man not being given a say isn’t a violation of his bodily autonomy.
First you have to define “women”. But men don’t have a right to starve or poison babies, either.
That is a straw man argument. A baby is already born.
Should pregnant women lose rights that non pregnant women and men have? It’s not against the law to be anorexic, but in some states it might be for pregnant women. I am opposed to people not having equal rights.
So what about men being put on the financial hook for children they don’t want?
Where is our autonomy there?
I don’t necessarily agree with that either.
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So, you see that many things are not equal and probably never will be.
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I think we should strive for equal rights and consistency in policy. I see the overturning of Roe to be opposite of those things.
Which I think is where the entire argument is fallacious and fell apart legally.
And why it has been kicked back to the states/ legislature.
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This may be true, but that doesn’t change the fact it was a shitty decision that lacked constitutional backing.
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This is interesting. How do you think it is fallacious?
The way I see it, and I agree with you, is that basically any law that would limit pregnant women’s rights to be less than others should be illegal. We should have an equal rights amendment IMO.
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I think this has been covered earlier in the thread, but I will have to get back to this later. Heading into an acquisition meeting.
I do not disagree that it should be addressed by Congress. I don’t think it would take an amendment, but definitely a law defining the parameters from Congress.
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Amazing isn’t it.
Tell people they have to stay locked in their house for a year, get an experimental injection and vaccine passport to function in society, sure.
Tell people they can’t kill babies and everyone loses their minds.
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Do you not think the unborn have any rights?
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The senate and house make law
The president enforces law
The court interprets law
If the original decision of roe vs wade by the court was made into law, then it was the wrong decision to make
the decision today pushes it back to the legislature to do what they are supposed to do…make law
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They do seem to have some rights (demonstrated by current laws). I am of the opinion that rights to bodily autonomy come before any of those rights. I think the same for born individuals too. My right to bodily autonomy comes before another person’s right to life for example.
Have you read the violinist argument? Here is a summary of the situation:
Should his right to life be above your rights to autonomy? Should you be permitted to unplug him?
I don’t think anybody should have the rights to use another person’s body even if that gets in the way of their right to life.
The mother plugged the baby into herself (in the VAST majority of abortion cases).
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Imo…the only time a woman should have the right to an abortion (eliminating the life inside her) is when her life is in jeopardy
Otherwise, the unborns right to life should take priority over the womans right to decide what to do with her body
just my opinion
violinist arguement is apples and oranges