Is This Billboard Offenisve?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I mean, not to steer this thread off course, but this artist has to change the cover because a handful of people don’t like it based on an inference on their part while 50 Shades of Grey makes $500 million and counting. Give me a break. [/quote]

I mean, I don’t think the cover was meant to be “liked” in the sense of it makes you happy. It is supposed to portray a feeling of agony and terror from Batgirl and sadism from the Joker. It does both. The Joker is possibly the most violent and abhorrent of any villain in any comic, so when you dedicate a month of covers to him, of course you are going to get some covers that are going to make people uncomfortable.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Diddy Ryder wrote:
Surprised that this hasn’t been posted.

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Well hello there…[/quote]

Ha are we purposely making a statement in this thread with our choice of avatar pic?[/quote]

That Wyoming Libraries image would be an awesome avatar pic!
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http://comicbook.com/2015/03/17/controversial-batgirl-variant-cover-cancelled/[/quote]

Oh. I hate that picture. That’s my visceral reaction.

I’m not a Batman Comic reader so I don’t know any of the history/ nuance behind it.

Edited [/quote]

In short, you are supposed to hate the picture. The artist did his job if it makes you squirm. The Killing Joke has Barbara Gordon (Batgirl at the time) being shot through the spine, paralyzed, then stripped and photographed by the Joker (there is no mention of sexual assault one way or the other). The pictures are then shown to her father, Commissioner Gordon, who has also been taken hostage by the Joker, stripped and put in a cage. This is all an effort to drive the guy crazy because of “one bad day”. Very violent, very sadistic, shaped the image of the Joker, and made Barbara Gordon an actually important character in the DC universe.

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Got it. I don’t believe in censoring art and literature, even if I personally find it repellant.

I can choose NOT to buy something I don’t agree with. Or the comic book company could choose NOT to use an image they think will turn off their customer base, or that would hurt their image. Freedom.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I mean, not to steer this thread off course, but this artist has to change the cover because a handful of people don’t like it based on an inference on their part while 50 Shades of Grey makes $500 million and counting. Give me a break. [/quote]

I mean, I don’t think the cover was meant to be “liked” in the sense of it makes you happy. It is supposed to portray a feeling of agony and terror from Batgirl and sadism from the Joker. It does both. The Joker is possibly the most violent and abhorrent of any villain in any comic, so when you dedicate a month of covers to him, of course you are going to get some covers that are going to make people uncomfortable. [/quote]

Ya I agree. It wasn’t mean’t to be liked in the sense you’re speaking. It’s a powerful image no doubt. Especially if you know the back story.

My issue, if you will, has nothing to do with the cover itself or comics in general.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I can choose NOT to buy something I don’t agree with. Or the comic book company could choose NOT to use an image they think will turn off their customer base, or that would hurt their image. Freedom.
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THIS. This hits the nail right on the head. This is great and I’m all for this. Unfortunately this, like in a lot of cases, isn’t what happened.

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That might be the record for the use of the word “this” in a post…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I can choose NOT to buy something I don’t agree with. Or the comic book company could choose NOT to use an image they think will turn off their customer base, or that would hurt their image. Freedom.
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THIS. This hits the nail right on the head. This is great and I’m all for this. Unfortunately this, like in a lot of cases, isn’t what happened. [/quote]

After reading an article over on bloodydisguting.com, I have a new understanding of why they pulled the cover. They have remarketed Batgirl (which I haven’t really ever read) to appeal more towards the younger female audience. Because of that they felt like this cover was out of place and unless they had read the darker, more mature Batman stuff (which is glossed over in Batgirl from my understanding), then Batgirl’s target readers would not understand the context of the image. That and the image would not appeal at all (and actually may turn them off) to the current desired base.

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I can choose NOT to buy something I don’t agree with. Or the comic book company could choose NOT to use an image they think will turn off their customer base, or that would hurt their image. Freedom.
[/quote]

THIS. This hits the nail right on the head. This is great and I’m all for this. Unfortunately this, like in a lot of cases, isn’t what happened. [/quote]

After reading an article over on bloodydisguting.com, I have a new understanding of why they pulled the cover. They have remarketed Batgirl (which I haven’t really ever read) to appeal more towards the younger female audience. Because of that they felt like this cover was out of place and unless they had read the darker, more mature Batman stuff (which is glossed over in Batgirl from my understanding), then Batgirl’s target readers would not understand the context of the image. That and the image would not appeal at all (and actually may turn them off) to the current desired base.
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I suppose that could be the case; however, I’m a bit skeptical as DC was under a significant amount of pressure to pull the cover. That sounds like a convenient excuse to pull the cover to me.

Like I said, my issue isn’t about the cover or comics in general. It’s the sad reality of what our society has become. It’s the, I don’t like it and you have to change it for me because I’m the center of the universe, mentality. It’s the censorship, self imposed at times, based on political correct bull shit.

I’m just tired of it.

I’ve got an Archer avatar lined up so this one will be short lived anyway…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I can choose NOT to buy something I don’t agree with. Or the comic book company could choose NOT to use an image they think will turn off their customer base, or that would hurt their image. Freedom.
[/quote]

THIS. This hits the nail right on the head. This is great and I’m all for this. Unfortunately this, like in a lot of cases, isn’t what happened. [/quote]

After reading an article over on bloodydisguting.com, I have a new understanding of why they pulled the cover. They have remarketed Batgirl (which I haven’t really ever read) to appeal more towards the younger female audience. Because of that they felt like this cover was out of place and unless they had read the darker, more mature Batman stuff (which is glossed over in Batgirl from my understanding), then Batgirl’s target readers would not understand the context of the image. That and the image would not appeal at all (and actually may turn them off) to the current desired base.
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I suppose that could be the case; however, I’m a bit skeptical as DC was under a significant amount of pressure to pull the cover. That sounds like a convenient excuse to pull the cover to me.

Like I said, my issue isn’t about the cover or comics in general. It’s the sad reality of what our society has become. It’s the, I don’t like it and you have to change it for me because I’m the center of the universe, mentality. It’s the censorship, self imposed at times, based on political correct bull shit.

I’m just tired of it.

I’ve got an Archer avatar lined up so this one will be short lived anyway…

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That was kind of the tone of the article. Maybe the ultimate reason was PC pressure but the author felt like it was still the right decision for the reasons I mentioned. I get the PC hate tho. Totally with you in that regard.

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Things I learned from this thread:
-Spiderman has disturbing amounts of hip mobility
-I’m justified in not ever caring for comics

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
I can choose NOT to buy something I don’t agree with. Or the comic book company could choose NOT to use an image they think will turn off their customer base, or that would hurt their image. Freedom.
[/quote]

THIS. This hits the nail right on the head. This is great and I’m all for this. Unfortunately this, like in a lot of cases, isn’t what happened. [/quote]

After reading an article over on bloodydisguting.com, I have a new understanding of why they pulled the cover. They have remarketed Batgirl (which I haven’t really ever read) to appeal more towards the younger female audience. Because of that they felt like this cover was out of place and unless they had read the darker, more mature Batman stuff (which is glossed over in Batgirl from my understanding), then Batgirl’s target readers would not understand the context of the image. That and the image would not appeal at all (and actually may turn them off) to the current desired base.
[/quote]

I suppose that could be the case; however, I’m a bit skeptical as DC was under a significant amount of pressure to pull the cover. That sounds like a convenient excuse to pull the cover to me.

Like I said, my issue isn’t about the cover or comics in general. It’s the sad reality of what our society has become. It’s the, I don’t like it and you have to change it for me because I’m the center of the universe, mentality. It’s the censorship, self imposed at times, based on political correct bull shit.

I’m just tired of it.

I’ve got an Archer avatar lined up so this one will be short lived anyway…

[/quote]

That was kind of the tone of the article. Maybe the ultimate reason was PC pressure but the author felt like it was still the right decision for the reasons I mentioned. I get the PC hate tho. Totally with you in that regard.
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Yes. The attempt to silence others because their speech is “hateful” or “hurtful” is a serious deal, and it’s gaining momentum.

Some speech/ images now constitute a “micro-agression” or “trigger” that is hurtful. That could be just about anything.

The crazy thing is that the groups who want to silence others, don’t seem to see how it can be turned around to silence them should the political winds shift.

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[quote]Powerpuff wrote:

The crazy thing is that the groups who want to silence others, don’t seem to see how it can be turned around to silence them should the political winds shift.

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They aren’t smart enough to think that part through. Check that, they are smart enough, certainly. They just don’t think.

People like that feel their way through life… It’s embarrassing, but they are oblivious because they “feel” great about themselves.

It’s literally like 1984 out there.

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the one’s who get offended seem to be the jealous type. Or squares. Both

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If I were a woman, I’d be offended that these people think I need to be pandered to by having girl power win 24 / 7. Because clearly the male leads in comics never lose.

Guess it’s only cool for feminazis if Poison Ivy tentacle rapes her with a bush or something.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Doing it because it makes HER feel good about HERSELF? Eh… I can’t really knock someone. Doing it because it makes her feel like she fits in better with what is expected of her? That’s when it starts to be an issue.
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I don’t buy that women get implants to feel good about themselves in a direct sense. Perhaps larger breasts make women feel better about themselves because it pleases their boyfriend/spouse, which results in positive feedback/attention for them. Or because it helps them win the figure contest. Or because it makes them feel valued because of all the attention they receive out in public. I truly believe the motivation is external. Just like it is to wear makeup and high heels. How many women doll up when they’re not going to encounter anyone all day? I’d venture it’s zero.

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I am not counting her as one of the feministas who try to dictate what men “should” be attracted to,[/quote]

No, not at all, and that shit is silly.

[quote] but the fact of the matter is, being attractive has a high impact on the quality of life of girls and later woman.

Thats how it is and whether you implant the idea early or not, it will be that way. [/quote]

Agreed, but you’re conflating two things.

  1. attraction and the biological instincts we all have in that arena
  2. A person’s worth not only in society, but in the context of this thread, to themselves.

Yes the two intertwine, and that isn’t an issue until it goes to the extreme. I think she is saying getting bolt-on’s for the simple sake of “but da big boobz is da hotnezz” is extreme. Doing it because it makes HER feel good about HERSELF? Eh… I can’t really knock someone. Doing it because it makes her feel like she fits in better with what is expected of her? That’s when it starts to be an issue.

As a species we’ve really moved past the whole “every moment in life is about furthering the species, lets fuck” stage. Sexual attraction, and attractiveness matters, and helps in life, yes. But it isn’t the measure of a person, and that is the only line we’re trying to draw.

Fat fugly people can and do contribute great things to the world.

[quote]Now, you can indoctrinate your children that it should not be that way, but you will only create neurotic clusterfucks* who cannot deal with the real world.

Now, should women be all about pleasing the menz? No.

Should they ignore that they have to give in order to get from men? Hell no.

*read, hipster bitches, SJWs and tumblerinas. [/quote]

I guess the third point would be:

Are there things to measure your self worth outside of what men think or how they interact with you? Yes.
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Well, here is the thing, if you present Rollo Thomassi`s (in?)famous SMV chart, women protest the loudest.

However, as he has made clear repeatedly, a woman´s SMV is not the same as her worth as a human being.

It is not necessarily men who tie a womans worth to her sexappeal, but women do so as a matter of course.

\O_O/

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[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Doing it because it makes HER feel good about HERSELF? Eh… I can’t really knock someone. Doing it because it makes her feel like she fits in better with what is expected of her? That’s when it starts to be an issue.
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I don’t buy that women get implants to feel good about themselves in a direct sense. Perhaps larger breasts make women feel better about themselves because it pleases their boyfriend/spouse, which results in positive feedback/attention for them. Or because it helps them win the figure contest. Or because it makes them feel valued because of all the attention they receive out in public. I truly believe the motivation is external. Just like it is to wear makeup and high heels. How many women doll up when they’re not going to encounter anyone all day? I’d venture it’s zero.
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I was thinking when they get them after surviving breast cancer, “ruined” by child birth etc.

All the women I’ve actually spent significant amounts of time with in my life had smaller boobs, like A’s and B’s at best. None of them really seemed all that worried about it, and I obviously don’t have a hang up about boob size, so it didn’t end up an issue.

While she doesn’t wear a lot, my wife puts makeup on every day. That shit around her eyes and the tiny paintbrush to the cheeks. I think it takes her like 3 mins.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

I am not counting her as one of the feministas who try to dictate what men “should” be attracted to,[/quote]

No, not at all, and that shit is silly.

[quote] but the fact of the matter is, being attractive has a high impact on the quality of life of girls and later woman.

Thats how it is and whether you implant the idea early or not, it will be that way. [/quote]

Agreed, but you’re conflating two things.

  1. attraction and the biological instincts we all have in that arena
  2. A person’s worth not only in society, but in the context of this thread, to themselves.

Yes the two intertwine, and that isn’t an issue until it goes to the extreme. I think she is saying getting bolt-on’s for the simple sake of “but da big boobz is da hotnezz” is extreme. Doing it because it makes HER feel good about HERSELF? Eh… I can’t really knock someone. Doing it because it makes her feel like she fits in better with what is expected of her? That’s when it starts to be an issue.

As a species we’ve really moved past the whole “every moment in life is about furthering the species, lets fuck” stage. Sexual attraction, and attractiveness matters, and helps in life, yes. But it isn’t the measure of a person, and that is the only line we’re trying to draw.

Fat fugly people can and do contribute great things to the world.

[quote]Now, you can indoctrinate your children that it should not be that way, but you will only create neurotic clusterfucks* who cannot deal with the real world.

Now, should women be all about pleasing the menz? No.

Should they ignore that they have to give in order to get from men? Hell no.

*read, hipster bitches, SJWs and tumblerinas. [/quote]

I guess the third point would be:

Are there things to measure your self worth outside of what men think or how they interact with you? Yes.
[/quote]

Well, here is the thing, if you present Rollo Thomassi`s (in?)famous SMV chart, women protest the loudest.

However, as he has made clear repeatedly, a woman�´s SMV is not the same as her worth as a human being.

It is not necessarily men who tie a womans worth to her sexappeal, but women do so as a matter of course.

\O_O/[/quote]

Perhaps the women protesting have had experiences that differ? I know perfectly well that my SMV (or more accurately my marriage market value) is enhanced by things that are not looks or fertility markers. It’s certainly not hurt by those things in context but I know my mind and disposition give me strong advantages with genuinely desirable men, i.e. men who are not foolish enough to make shallow choices with which they would soon be bored (cf. Adamhum’s thread “My Wife Talks Too Much,” which wife was believed to be v. hot).

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]kpsnap wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Doing it because it makes HER feel good about HERSELF? Eh… I can’t really knock someone. Doing it because it makes her feel like she fits in better with what is expected of her? That’s when it starts to be an issue.
[/quote]
I don’t buy that women get implants to feel good about themselves in a direct sense. Perhaps larger breasts make women feel better about themselves because it pleases their boyfriend/spouse, which results in positive feedback/attention for them. Or because it helps them win the figure contest. Or because it makes them feel valued because of all the attention they receive out in public. I truly believe the motivation is external. Just like it is to wear makeup and high heels. How many women doll up when they’re not going to encounter anyone all day? I’d venture it’s zero.
[/quote]

I was thinking when they get them after surviving breast cancer, “ruined” by child birth etc.

All the women I’ve actually spent significant amounts of time with in my life had smaller boobs, like A’s and B’s at best. None of them really seemed all that worried about it, and I obviously don’t have a hang up about boob size, so it didn’t end up an issue.

While she doesn’t wear a lot, my wife puts makeup on every day. That shit around her eyes and the tiny paintbrush to the cheeks. I think it takes her like 3 mins. [/quote]

I wear very light makeup also (no eye shit but usually some lip gloss) and like your wife do it whether I’m at home or not. However, at home is the person I care most about being attractive for. I’m going to guess that your wife does the same for you? If Hockey is out of town and I’m home alone I just put on moisturizer, so kpsnap is right in my opinion.

On the other hand, I won’t put it on after an evening shower if we’re staying home. The point isn’t to deceive him as to my looks, but rather to treat him as a priority and not someone I take for granted.

This has been true right down the line for me, it’s not specific to my relatively new relationship with Hockey. I know I’ve mentioned before that my father said when I was a teen that you can always tell when one of the women at the office was getting a divorce, because all of a sudden she’d get her hair done and start losing weight. He went on to speculate that maybe if they’d done that sooner they wouldn’t be getting a divorce. My father was a terrible sexist and of course the same is true of men, but aside from that quibble he was right, in my view.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
However, at home is the person I care most about being attractive for. I’m going to guess that your wife does the same for you? [/quote]

That would be cool. I don’t know though. Never really thought about it.

She doesn’t either.

[quote] The point isn’t to deceive him as to my looks, but rather to treat him as a priority and not someone I take for granted.

This has been true right down the line for me, it’s not specific to my relatively new relationship with Hockey. I know I’ve mentioned before that my father said when I was a teen that you can always tell when one of the women at the office was getting a divorce, because all of a sudden she’d get her hair done and start losing weight.[/quote]

I tend to have similar observations as your dad, lol.

It’s part of the problem, sure. Not the entire solution though.