[quote]Cortes wrote:
Of course I posted before having read the rest of the thread, and now I have to go. [/quote]
Cortes, it’s nice to see ya!
Hey Powerpuff, thanks, nice to see you, too! No promises of a return to regular posting just yet, though. I don’t have the free time that I used to.
Thinking about it further, almost everything we see and read that is a product of the mass media is unrealistic. We watch fabulously rich, achingly beautiful people who never have to work drive cars and live in houses 99.9% of people on earth could never hope to afford in two lifetimes, wearing outfits that cost a month’s salary for the average consumer, doing crazy things we would never or only wish we could do.
Nothing meant for consumption is presented in a realistic fashion. So why should unrealistic women’s bodies, to the exclusion of all else, be singled out as somehow especially egregious and damaging? The way I see it, ALL of us should be nervous wrecks. What’s the difference I’m missing here?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Thinking about it further, almost everything we see and read that is a product of the mass media is unrealistic. We watch fabulously rich, achingly beautiful people who never have to work drive cars and live in houses 99.9% of people on earth could never hope to afford in two lifetimes, wearing outfits that cost a month’s salary for the average consumer, doing crazy things we would never or only wish we could do. [/quote]
I’ve said ti once or twice before, but if Hollywood moved into your (preverbal you here) neighborhood tomorrow, continued to act the way they do, and worked in a factory rather than play pretend on a screen, we’d all move away as they would be dregs that destroy your property values.
Women see the world through a different lens?
I don’t know. All I know is women tend to be hella more insecure when it comes to this.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Thinking about it further, almost everything we see and read that is a product of the mass media is unrealistic. We watch fabulously rich, achingly beautiful people who never have to work drive cars and live in houses 99.9% of people on earth could never hope to afford in two lifetimes, wearing outfits that cost a month’s salary for the average consumer, doing crazy things we would never or only wish we could do. [/quote]
I’ve said ti once or twice before, but if Hollywood moved into your (preverbal you here) neighborhood tomorrow, continued to act the way they do, and worked in a factory rather than play pretend on a screen, we’d all move away as they would be dregs that destroy your property values.
Women see the world through a different lens?
I don’t know. All I know is women tend to be hella more insecure when it comes to this. [/quote]
Insecurity and quickness to take offense are the prerequisite conditions for professional victimhood.
Yes, yes, not all women play the role of professional victim.
But many do. And they share these two traits in common with other folks who play the same role.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Thinking about it further, almost everything we see and read that is a product of the mass media is unrealistic. We watch fabulously rich, achingly beautiful people who never have to work drive cars and live in houses 99.9% of people on earth could never hope to afford in two lifetimes, wearing outfits that cost a month’s salary for the average consumer, doing crazy things we would never or only wish we could do. [/quote]
I’ve said ti once or twice before, but if Hollywood moved into your (preverbal you here) neighborhood tomorrow, continued to act the way they do, and worked in a factory rather than play pretend on a screen, we’d all move away as they would be dregs that destroy your property values.
Women see the world through a different lens?
I don’t know. All I know is women tend to be hella more insecure when it comes to this. [/quote]
It’s about the competition.
Women do not dress up, do their makeup, or worry about their figure because of men. It’s because of other women. While they will not admit it, women want to be the top dog in the room. Have you ever heard of a group of men at the mall gasping at the shoes or outfit of another man walking towards them ? Course not, because we don’t give a shit.
Women are physical and visual, just not on the level men are.
The further you move along the age spectrum, the more competition women deal with, and less power they hold over men. This does not sit well with them.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I think there hasn’t been an industry previously that was centered on altering men to fit impossible standards
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Really?
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Also, if you flip it around where you tell men that they need to surgically insert some implants in their pecs, delts, biceps… Most would be HORRIFIED. I think.
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I guess injecting stuff an unqualified “chemist” cooked up at home in his bath tub through a high gauge needle doesn’t count as surgery.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Romantic leading men can be a 7 on a 1-10 scale, for example, where you almost never see a female romantic lead who is not a 9 or 10.
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That romance novel I’ve been writing about the handsome hobo and his supermodel suitor is going to really take off.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Thinking about it further, almost everything we see and read that is a product of the mass media is unrealistic. We watch fabulously rich, achingly beautiful people who never have to work drive cars and live in houses 99.9% of people on earth could never hope to afford in two lifetimes, wearing outfits that cost a month’s salary for the average consumer, doing crazy things we would never or only wish we could do. [/quote]
I’ve said ti once or twice before, but if Hollywood moved into your (preverbal you here) neighborhood tomorrow, continued to act the way they do, and worked in a factory rather than play pretend on a screen, we’d all move away as they would be dregs that destroy your property values.
Women see the world through a different lens?
I don’t know. All I know is women tend to be hella more insecure when it comes to this. [/quote]
Insecurity and quickness to take offense are the prerequisite conditions for professional victimhood.
Yes, yes, not all women play the role of professional victim.
But many do. And they share these two traits in common with other folks who play the same role.
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Sure.
There is nothing wrong with giving Boys and Girls the same “suck it up buttercup” lesson, just have to approach it differently.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
Thinking about it further, almost everything we see and read that is a product of the mass media is unrealistic. We watch fabulously rich, achingly beautiful people who never have to work drive cars and live in houses 99.9% of people on earth could never hope to afford in two lifetimes, wearing outfits that cost a month’s salary for the average consumer, doing crazy things we would never or only wish we could do. [/quote]
I’ve said ti once or twice before, but if Hollywood moved into your (preverbal you here) neighborhood tomorrow, continued to act the way they do, and worked in a factory rather than play pretend on a screen, we’d all move away as they would be dregs that destroy your property values.
Women see the world through a different lens?
I don’t know. All I know is women tend to be hella more insecure when it comes to this. [/quote]
Insecurity and quickness to take offense are the prerequisite conditions for professional victimhood.
Yes, yes, not all women play the role of professional victim.
But many do. And they share these two traits in common with other folks who play the same role.
[/quote]
Sure.
There is nothing wrong with giving Boys and Girls the same “suck it up buttercup” lesson, just have to approach it differently. [/quote]
And let’s be perfectly honest, becoming “too” skinny is not exactly a problem most American women are in any danger of actually suffering. However, you see WAY more outrage directed at this health “problem” than you do at the rampant obesity epidemic.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
Youthful male insecurity is an entirely different beast than female insecurity. Female insecurity seems to be much more, devastating, for lack of a better word, and male tend to just accept it, and power through, instead focusing on other things like making money, hanging with your boys and smoking weed.
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In boys insecurity becomes “drive”. Your son has to be “driven” if he wants to play in the NFL. If your daughter wants bigger boobs so she can model she’s “insecure”. Because for some reason we as men still treat girls like they need to be coddled and protected from themselves, while women would rather not have them growing up to set the bar higher, and have pictures of them up on billboards distracting their drones / husbands from their wonderful spongue bob square pants figures. But boys are encouraged to do whatever it takes to get that money / power / social status that defines the male ideal no matter what the negative consequences of that might be.
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Also, if you flip it around where you tell men that they need to surgically insert some implants in their pecs, delts, biceps… Most would be HORRIFIED. I think.
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I guess injecting stuff an unqualified “chemist” cooked up at home in his bath tub through a high gauge needle doesn’t count as surgery.[/quote]
As soon as I wrote that, I was waiting for someone to bring up that crazy guy with the huge synthol biceps.
About implants - Some women want to get back to the way they looked before they nursed several kids. I completely get that. Some women look like they never went through puberty. If you want to compete in bikini or figure, it’s nearly mandatory. It’s just that the overall prevalence of plastic surgery in our society is excessive, IMO. I’d rather my daughter not feel pressure to be something other than her natural self.
It’s a difficult thing with girls because women are valued most for their appearance. If you ask men what they value in women, they will say 1) attractive/pretty and 2) sweet/kind. We most often praise girls for those traits, and we tend to praise boys very differently. Just something to think about.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Also, if you flip it around where you tell men that they need to surgically insert some implants in their pecs, delts, biceps… Most would be HORRIFIED. I think.
[/quote]
I guess injecting stuff an unqualified “chemist” cooked up at home in his bath tub through a high gauge needle doesn’t count as surgery.[/quote]
As soon as I wrote that, I was waiting for someone to bring up that crazy guy with the huge synthol biceps.
About implants - Some women want to get back to the way they looked before they nursed several kids. I completely get that. Some women look like they never went through puberty. If you want to compete in bikini or figure, it’s nearly mandatory. It’s just that the overall prevalence of plastic surgery in our society is excessive, IMO. I’d rather my daughter not feel pressure to be something other than her natural self.
It’s a difficult thing with girls because women are valued most for their appearance. If you ask men what they value in women, they will say 1) attractive/pretty and 2) sweet/kind. We most often praise girls for those traits, and we tend to praise boys very differently. Just something to think about. [/quote]
You know, I am not entirely sure what “thinking about it” is supposed to accomplish.
Yes, men are attracted to markers of youth and fertility.
This is not going to change no matter how much thinking one does.
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
[quote]Powerpuff wrote:
Also, if you flip it around where you tell men that they need to surgically insert some implants in their pecs, delts, biceps… Most would be HORRIFIED. I think.
[/quote]
I guess injecting stuff an unqualified “chemist” cooked up at home in his bath tub through a high gauge needle doesn’t count as surgery.[/quote]
As soon as I wrote that, I was waiting for someone to bring up that crazy guy with the huge synthol biceps.
About implants - Some women want to get back to the way they looked before they nursed several kids. I completely get that. Some women look like they never went through puberty. If you want to compete in bikini or figure, it’s nearly mandatory. It’s just that the overall prevalence of plastic surgery in our society is excessive, IMO. I’d rather my daughter not feel pressure to be something other than her natural self.
It’s a difficult thing with girls because women are valued most for their appearance. If you ask men what they value in women, they will say 1) attractive/pretty and 2) sweet/kind. We most often praise girls for those traits, and we tend to praise boys very differently. Just something to think about. [/quote]
That’s only because we’re too polite to say 1) good in the sack… which probably holds true for (hetero) women as well. 
Boys are praised AND criticized differently. Weather or not it’s a better / worse situation is up for debate. There are different criteria being judged, and a whole lot less compassion for failure.
And I don’t think sweet / kind is any more important for women than it is for men. Nobody likes an ass hole. Except women I guess, so that ones on yous
[quote]Cortes wrote:
I’ve never understood how looking an image of Superman could make a boy healthily strive to be something bigger and better than he is, without turning him into a neurotic bundle of body obsessed nerves, while Barbie is supposed to be the cause of rampant anorexia in young women.
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Superman is a paragon of virtue who used his might and intelligence to battle evil. Barbie is a blond with big tits whose only achievement is representing the male sexual ideal. She has no value outside of that conferred upon her by men.
If my son came to me and said he wanted to be Superman, I’d be delighted. If my daughter told me she wanted to be Barbie, I’d wonder where I went so wrong.
[quote]orion wrote:
Yes, men are attracted to markers of … fertility.
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Youth goes hand in hand with that, but I agree.
The flip side to this is that women are attracted to money / wealth / power / social status. Boys are pressured to succeed, and if they don’t they’re a “failure”. Nice guy is synonymous with loser.
Who has it worse? A small breasted woman or a homeless man? You can fix small tits in a weekend.
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Yes, men are attracted to markers of … fertility.
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Youth goes hand in hand with that, but I agree.
The flip side to this is that women are attracted to money / wealth / power / social status. Boys are pressured to succeed, and if they don’t they’re a “failure”. Nice guy is synonymous with loser.
Who has it worse? A small breasted woman or a homeless man? You can fix small tits in a weekend.[/quote]
Hell, there are men who like small tits and a lot do not mind if she has a spectatcular ass, that would be me.
Aint no love out there for homeless guys.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
I’ve never understood how looking an image of Superman could make a boy healthily strive to be something bigger and better than he is, without turning him into a neurotic bundle of body obsessed nerves, while Barbie is supposed to be the cause of rampant anorexia in young women.
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Superman is a paragon of virtue who used his might and intelligence to battle evil. Barbie is a blond with big tits whose only achievement is representing the male sexual ideal. She has no value outside of that conferred upon her by men.
If my son came to me and said he wanted to be Superman, I’d be delighted. If my daughter told me she wanted to be Barbie, I’d wonder where I went so wrong.
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What if she said she wanted to be spiderwoman?
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Broncoandy wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
Yes, men are attracted to markers of … fertility.
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Youth goes hand in hand with that, but I agree.
The flip side to this is that women are attracted to money / wealth / power / social status. Boys are pressured to succeed, and if they don’t they’re a “failure”. Nice guy is synonymous with loser.
Who has it worse? A small breasted woman or a homeless man? You can fix small tits in a weekend.[/quote]
Hell, there are men who like small tits and a lot do not mind if she has a spectatcular ass, that would be me.
Aint not love out there for homeless guys. [/quote]
I actually feel worse for chicks with small asses than small boobs. You can get implants for boobs. No solution for narrow hips though. Thank god for latinas.