You also have a point man.
Ive thought a lot about all this.
But although my total t was not that bad pre trt, my free t was like 8 ng/dl calculated.
I do not have it in the LabCorp range in pg/ml. But I think if I manage to take it to 20ng/dl I may start to feel much better. And I have some hope this can happen in the current dose if I hit 1000 total t and SHBG shrinks a bit more.
If the last ester hasnt build up yet(and it is most part of the shot) dont you think I can reach 1000 at this dose?
Probably not. Anyways, even if you do why aim for 20 ng/dl when most people feel best between 30 and 5? If you are afraid of side effects, you won’t get any with daily injections. The people that get side effects usually inject 1 or 2 times a week.
I’ve read that sustanon is the best Testosterone ever created and you will have zero problems besides the amount of tinder notifications will run your phone battery down too fast. There you go. Stop worrying, stop thinking about it and go work out and get jacked as hell.
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Well I dont think Im clear of side effects with daily injections. For example I hope not to pass 50HCT not to have it on mind. I know many doctors claim erytrocythosis is not harmful, my doctor including, but still I would prefer to have some slack there.
On the other hand you are right and I need to get some decent t levels, then to wait them to act and this is when I will understand how trt will affect me.
I may make another total testosterone test after a week, if not more than before even though the slow esters have not build up most likely I will not reach good levels on that dose
F*ck this crappy omnadren, with enanthate/cyp everything would be faster and simplier
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Just these last days I realized you gotta squeeze some part of the belly fat and inject it instead of just stabbing the needle in yourself. Good I have enough material to squeeze 
I will follow your advice and after one week if total t is not more I will increase the dosage to 25mg.
I also realized it is very unlikely I will reach the desired levels with this dose after I did some calculations. And sorry, but I dont wanna wait not the full 8 weeks, then increase it and wait another eight weeks. Sometimes in life you have to be adaptable and bend the rules. I made a mistake starting with this ester and I need to adapt now
Yup, don’t worry about the esther some people actually prefer sustanon over Test E for daily injections because you can feel the test prop kick in relatively fast.
Also HCT is not a problem unless it goes over 54 or so and even then it only matters if you have high BP.
Im a bit concerned for the ester in fact first because it seems it needs 8-10 weeks on the same dose to builds up levels and also many people claim with it a bit less stable levels will be maintained than the enanthate.
I suspect the last ester due to being very long may be metabolized at a different rate every time it is injected
Anyway I will follow the plan
Some people are simply unable to inject the damn testosterone and go live their lives like the rest of us. Utter paranoia and concern about every soecific detail about every single molecular process down to the cellular level. It’s hysterical!
Dude, you are the one who started claiming that sustanon is not optimal for daily injections and I want to understand WHY exactly. Dont tell me again because it is 4 esters, because this is not enough reason to be not optimal.
The reason I ask is because I want to use the best possible compound and If Im going to feel better on enanthate I will plan to transition at some point and will go to Serbia to buy it from there, the border is not so far
Enanthate will be significantly better than Sustanon for TRT. Switch and stop breaking your head over irrelevant details.
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WHY? Can you explain?
I did. Twice. I don’t need to go into the level of detail that your brain requires because it isn’t worth my time. Even if I did explain it you would hit me with another 20 questions.
Get Enanthate and call it a day. Inject and go live your life.
No more questions.
You wont go into that detail because you dont know it and you are just assuming. There is nothing you know more than me about this compound, Im quite sure from your lasts posts
If you say so 
By the way, watch the video I did with Mark Gordon and see what he says about Sustanon. He thinks it is the worst thing ever and people should stay away from it.
Thanks for that. Watched half of it and need to go out, didnt reach yet the sustanon part. Will continue tonight
I have very high opinion of dr Gordon Ive watched other of his podcasts.
I notice he also likes using zinc citrate up to 60mg like my doc, why you did not debate him on that?
Using 60mg of zinc will not cause mineral imbalances, copper is too much anyway. Zinc and magnesium are a must for almost every person on this planet no matter on TRT or not, man or women. Almost all of us have suboptimal levels of zinc and magnesium that I have tested before starting the zinc by the way. And being in range does not mean you do not need more of them, just like testosterone
Take all the zinc you want… By all means.
Vonko, dont let somebody make you crazy about whether sustanone is a good or bad product for TRT.
Sustanone was initially developed to reduce the variability between injections, whereas the intended injection frequency of this product was once every week to once every two weeks. We know that with regard to this development goal the product failed.
But if you are willing to inject ed than there is only a very small, neglectable difference between T cyp or enant or your sustanone with regard to the variability between injections (i shared the PK simulation in your thread).
To sum up; is sustanone a bad product? Yes absolutely if injected once weekly, no if injected ed.
Regarding zinc supp. Be careful as chronic daily supp of more than 30 - 50 mg is well known to cause copper deficiency.
‘Oral zinc supplementation was reported be able to affect copper absorption in a period of 24 h, while chronic zinc support at a dose of 50 mg/day was shown to be capable of causing copper deficiency ( Fischer et al., 1984 ).’
Interestingly I find no such interview with dr Mark Gordon where he talks about Sustanon.
Here is this one where he talks about Nebido:
And I watched this podcast also did not hear a word about sustanon:
Can you share a link?
I also start to share your opinion and I connected to a few people well optimized on sustanon.
I remember very well your curve, but it is true in case the sustanon solution is homogenous enough. For which I could not yet get a confirmation from a reliable source. I emailed the company producing it so I hope they will reply me.
By the way the last three days I feel much better and I assume I’m building levels, there is more to come in the comming weeks