Somewhere between 4000-5000.
[quote]aquatiger1987 wrote:
This is my personal experience, when I use any form of protein powder, whether it be whey or hemp protein powder, my liver & kidney start to hurt a lot… and I mean a lot (no I do not have diabetes or any health problem, checked with scans at the hospital… I’m at 100% good health).
Doctors tell me not to use protein powders (they know how the body works - 10 years of university for doctors). To gain weight properly eat lots of eggs, fruits, vegetables, and grains in the morning; stop eating or drinking something when your body tells you to, and do not use a teflon (non-stick) pan to cook the eggs (use a stainless steel or a cast-iron pan). Give it all you have when you work out.
I personally work out by putting 10 pound weights on each of my ankles and do chin-ups on monkey bars (7ft in the air) while raising my knees. Bring water and banana’s with you to work out, and make eggs as fast as you can when your done working out. The more energy you put into working out, the more eggs you will be able to eat. With more weight, you need stronger bones, so you must take calcium with magnesium vitamins with water (take recommended amount on bottle).
Don’t forget lunch & dinner. Don’t drink milk, drink soy protein drinks, milk has lots of garbage in it. You might be asking… what about my bones, that’s what the calcium with magnesium is for. Don’t forget to take liquid multi-vitamins every day and get proper sleep (very important).
This site covers the myths about eggs and cholesterol.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/281949/dietnutrition_myths_eggs_egg_whites.html?cat=5
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Hilarious. I actually thought you were serious until you suggested bringing bananas to your monkey workout. Very funny.
Whey is a pretty shitty source of protein. If you want sustained protein synthesis, you need something that takes longer to digest. Besides PWO, you have to realize that most of the protein in whey is going to get converted to glucose. So if you’re referring to whey when you say protein powder, then ya, meat and eggs would be way better.
[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
Hilarious. I actually thought you were serious until you suggested bringing bananas to your monkey workout. Very funny.
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Banana’s have lots of calories in them. I should have said to eat bananas before working out, as well as to bring bananas with you to work out. It does sound funny, but read the following article on bananas.
mens-health.com/boards/fitness/16522-why-do-we-need-eat-bananas.html
Yes, I realize that the article contradicts what I’m saying about milk, but I personally believe it’s a healthier choice to drink soy beverages and take calcium with magnesium vitamins, than to drink cow’s milk.
http://www.rense.com/general26/truth.htm
We evolved from chimpanzees, and most of us still love bananas for a good reason.
[quote]aquatiger1987 wrote:
MarvelGirl wrote:
Hilarious. I actually thought you were serious until you suggested bringing bananas to your monkey workout. Very funny.
Banana’s have lots of calories in them. I should have said to eat bananas before working out, as well as to bring bananas with you to work out. It does sound funny, but read the following article on bananas.
mens-health.com/boards/fitness/16522-why-do-we-need-eat-bananas.html
Yes, I realize that the article contradicts what I’m saying about milk, but I personally believe it’s a healthier choice to drink soy beverages and take calcium with magnesium vitamins, than to drink cow’s milk.
http://www.rense.com/general26/truth.htm
We evolved from chimpanzees, and most of us still love bananas for a good reason.
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I was actually giving you the benefit of the doubt and believing that you were trying to be funny instead of just being retarded.
Incredibly stupid. That’s all I can say about your advice.
Maybe you should incorporate poo flinging into your routine, I hear it’s a great arm workout.
[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
Whey is a pretty shitty source of protein. If you want sustained protein synthesis, you need something that takes longer to digest. Besides PWO, you have to realize that most of the protein in whey is going to get converted to glucose. So if you’re referring to whey when you say protein powder, then ya, meat and eggs would be way better. [/quote]
generally whey isolates turn to glucose what is wrong with that?
Glucose is critical in the production of proteins and in lipid metabolism.feeds the brain and gives us energy. feeds muscels to stimulate growth are we going somewhere here? think some one who is diabetic can rely on whey protien as there source of blood sugar aka glucose? then diabetics would’nt have such a hard time with wieght management
I tell ya, there ain’t notin tastier and with a higher BV out there than mermaid milk!!!
Harbor seals or halibut don’t even come close to it.
[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
…If you want sustained protein synthesis, you need something that takes longer to digest [than whey]… [/quote]
That’s true but if timed correctly, whey isolate’s fast absorption rate can be used advantageously. Don’t forget its super sexy amino acids makeup (maybe it’s Maybeline).
Whey Isolate could be used to create anabolic spikes (for greater protein synthesis than a steady stream), whole meal proteins to maintain a positive nitrogen balance and casein for its anti-catabolic time-release benefits while catching up on the zzzzzzzzzzzzzs.
Bruce Campbell is dope!
And yo monkeyman, if you’re going to incorporate explosive poo flinging drills into your workout (haha 2 funny!), don’t forget to wear a shield or even your PWO ostrich eggs and rhyno pheromone shake ain’t gonna help you with the baboons lol
Just kidding dude you’re a good sport. gambatte!!
[quote]aquatiger1987 wrote:
and do not use a teflon (non-stick) pan to cook the eggs (use a stainless steel or a cast-iron pan). [/quote]
Hi. What’s wrong with using non-stick pan to fry eggs?
[quote]zhixiong wrote:
aquatiger1987 wrote:
and do not use a teflon (non-stick) pan to cook the eggs (use a stainless steel or a cast-iron pan).
Hi. What’s wrong with using non-stick pan to fry eggs?[/quote]
about 5 years ago they kept mice in a area with teflon fumes basicly sealed up and it caused cancer whatever you do dont smoke the nonstick pan
[quote]Thomas Gabriel wrote:
Whey is a pretty shitty source of protein. If you want sustained protein synthesis, you need something that takes longer to digest. Besides PWO, you have to realize that most of the protein in whey is going to get converted to glucose.
So if you’re referring to whey when you say protein powder, then ya, meat and eggs would be way better. [/quote]
I disagree with this. :(. As it turns out, whey protein can be an EXCELLENT source of protein. It COULD be converted to glucose if that is all your body was getting for nourishment, but so could calories that come from fat. If one was getting an adequate amount of other nutrients, whey is fine and easy to consume.
http://www.johnkyrk.com/glycolysis.html
http://www.biologie.uni-hamburg.de/b-online/library/falk/Nutrition/nutrition.htm
I was thinking of starting a thread on this subject but no need!
I was interested to see who is perhaps sacrificing quantity (to some degree) to stick to high quality protein.
From my personal research Whey is purely a convenience and is not a very good source of protein at all.
In many cases its actually a bi-product from dairy farming - a waste which farmers are literally willing to give away. It then gets tubbed and sold for stupid amounts. We could even argue then anything that comes from a cow was never meant for humans in the first place nevermind something so processed.
Personally I decided to go back to nature in terms of nutrition a while ago. You just can´t beat it!
Problem is we´re fucking with nature so much. I read reports of trying to allow the contents of animal feed to include crap like sawdust and cement - nice!
I´d recommend everyone reads “How to eat, move, and be healthy” by Paul Chek. Inspiring stuff but beware - the rabbit hole goes deep - way beyond what your average doc (thinks he) knows.
Consuming only one source of protein for extended periods of time is bad. This applies to whey, soy, “complete” animal proteins, etc…
However, any one source of protein, putting aside other ingredients from that source, is not more harmful than another, under the same circumstances/quantities.
Variety is key here.
Back to the point, whey is a supplement and should be treated as such. The benefits of consuming meats and animal proteins is explained(IMHO) by the density of other nutrients(creatine, iron, etc…) that may not be retained in more processed forms of protein(i.e. whey).
Edit: Whey is extracted from milk, so I’m not sure it would have comparable levels of creatine or iron to red meats fish etc…, but other nutrients like calcium still fit into the above model.
A quick answer to is protein powder bad?
NO.
If you are serious enough about weight training and want to get SERIOUS results (i’m not talking about the average person who “works out”) within a shorter period of time without steroids, protein powder (and other supplements) will help get you there. Aspartame is not as bad for you as people say it is. To have any true adverse effects to aspartame, most people would have to eat a lot over a long period of time. One can always buy a product like IsoNatural (allmax nutrition), which is pretty much as close to pure whey isolate that one can get without the artificial additives and sweeteners.
You have people saying that most of your protein should come from food. Some who say it doesn’t matter. I’m not here to talk about that. From my own experience (using milk vs. whey protein), post workout, protein shakes are still the best-- quicker absorption and more efficient (you get what you need without extra calories) and i got better results… Sure, regular food can do the trick too, but you will have to make sure you balance out your nutritional components (proteins, carbs, fats).
I didn’t find too many credible studies that say protein powders are bad. So whether or not you choose to use it, it’s up to you, but they ain’t bad. that’s for sure. If anything they are GOOD.
To that person (Aquasky) who says their liver hurts after using protein…that is almost absurd. Either you are like one of the few unfortunate rare people in this world who specifically has an adverse reaction to something in protein powder or more likely than not, your problem is not physical or not even related to the protein powder itself (i.e. you are faking it, crazy, or for lack of a better word, you are a pussy.) Your doctors probably told you to stop protein powders because they didn’t want to take a risk and be responsible in the event you are one of those rare people i mentioned and/or they don’t know how to help you or know what is wrong with you so if it makes you feel better not to use protein, then don’t use it.
Soy protein isn’t bad but i’d like to see the scientific evidence you have that says soy protein is superior to whey protein and that soy protein is safe to use while whey protein is not. And that organic cow’s milk is bad…You can always mix whey and soy together to gain the benefits of both.
Aside,
Whey protein is extracted from milk, but it undergoes different filtering processes (electrical [ion gradients], mechanical, chemical) to make them (or greatly reduce) free of carbs and fats or to separate whey from casein (different kinds of protein with different structures and thus, different rates of absorption and digestion). This is good because you can “isolate” the proteins you want and control the amino acid profiles. Such can also be further processed (hydrolysates) to create shorter chains of proteins for faster digestion, absorption and utilization. Why is this important? You can a more convenient and efficient way of taking protein compared to food.
Besides, nature is overrated. You die because of nature. It is NOT natural to prolong your life by taking pharmaceuticals or surgery (i.e. most major surgeries use anaesthesia, good luck having that appendix removed without being put out…or even something less life threatening like a root canal without freezing)…so if we listened to nature… we’d probably all die from smallpox