Is Iran The Enemy?

[quote]orion wrote:
Yes they are.

This mighty nation with 2% of the US GDP and around 8% of the US population will bring you down to your knees, mandatory Ramadan and all.

The 2/3 of the population that is under 30, listening to your music, watching your films and trying to study in the US if they possibly can may not hate you yet, but it is time that a new generation learns why they call you Big Satan.

Do not despair, the Decider still has some months left.[/quote]

What in the hell are you talking about?

[quote]rainjack wrote:
So is this thread about Iran, like the title says, or a soapbox for the Nazi’s/pro-terrorists?

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Subtle.

How does not feeling threatened by Iran equate to being a Nazi and a pro-Terrorist?

How does being opposed to Israel militarism, equate to being a Nazi and a pro-Terrorist?

Are you an Anti-Persian, Pro-Destructive Bombing Campaign, and Khmer Rouge because of you’re position?

I don’t see how National Socialism, has anything to do with the subject we’re talking about.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
Yes they are.

This mighty nation with 2% of the US GDP and around 8% of the US population will bring you down to your knees, mandatory Ramadan and all.

The 2/3 of the population that is under 30, listening to your music, watching your films and trying to study in the US if they possibly can may not hate you yet, but it is time that a new generation learns why they call you Big Satan.

Do not despair, the Decider still has some months left.

What in the hell are you talking about? [/quote]

Iran, the ebil empire that is becoming more Westernized every day and that will have people in charge that do not hate, but look up to the US.

In twenty years you could have a reliable partner there!

For Gods sake, bomb them now or it will be to late.

[quote]Sikkario wrote:
How does not feeling threatened by Iran equate to being a Nazi and a pro-Terrorist?[/quote]

I was referencing your rant on the unfairness of the Jewish presence in Israel.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The mullahs disqualify 99% of candidates and then they hold sham elections.

They have pretty tough conditions, but the majority of people qualify.
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The latest stats I saw said they disqualified 99% of the presidential candidates. If you know something different post it.

Yes the ruling elite have control of their own soil, not the people. They do not enjoy the freedoms you or I do, yet, you support their tyranny.

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They do not mind their own business. They fund and direct global terrorism from the middle east to Argentina and god knows where else.

Ya-da, ya-da…WMDs, Saddam was behind 9/11, mushroom cloud, boogeyman will get you in your sleep…

We’ve heard it all before.[/quote]

Because it is true, expect the bullshit you tried to slip through.

It was no rant, I’m not particularly Anti-Israel, but I don’t think the opposition against Israel comes from no where. Israel has never threatened me or invaded my country and kicked me out of my home. That doesn’t make their ally tho.

You haven’t refuted my argument, you’ve just called me a Nazi, try harder. I’m more like a Libertarian than a Nazi as far as politics go.

[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
Yes they are.

This mighty nation with 2% of the US GDP and around 8% of the US population will bring you down to your knees, mandatory Ramadan and all.

The 2/3 of the population that is under 30, listening to your music, watching your films and trying to study in the US if they possibly can may not hate you yet, but it is time that a new generation learns why they call you Big Satan.

Do not despair, the Decider still has some months left.

What in the hell are you talking about?

Iran, the ebil empire that is becoming more Westernized every day and that will have people in charge that do not hate, but look up to the US.

In twenty years you could have a reliable partner there!

For Gods sake, bomb them now or it will be to late.

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So we let them go. Just leave them alone, and they will be come our partners? They will do our bidding in the ME?

Genius. Sheer genius.

What freedoms do you enjoy that they do not?

[quote]Sikkario wrote:
I was referencing your rant on the unfairness of the Jewish presence in Israel.
It was no rant, I’m not particularly Anti-Israel, but I don’t think the opposition against Israel comes from no where. Israel has never threatened me or invaded my country and kicked me out of my home. That doesn’t make their ally tho.

You haven’t refuted my argument, you’ve just called me a Nazi, try harder. I’m more like a Libertarian than a Nazi as far as politics go.[/quote]

I never called you a Nazi. I don’t really know what you argument is.

That was Israel’s land long before they came and got it back.

The hatred for the Jew is as old as time. There is no new reason needed for the rest of the ME to hate the Jewish State.

[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Yes the ruling elite have control of their own soil, not the people. They do not enjoy the freedoms you or I do, yet, you support their tyranny.
What freedoms do you enjoy that they do not?[/quote]

The right to openly protest and freedom of the press right off the top of my head.

[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Yes the ruling elite have control of their own soil, not the people. They do not enjoy the freedoms you or I do, yet, you support their tyranny.
What freedoms do you enjoy that they do not?[/quote]

You are a college kid, right?

[quote]I never called you a Nazi. I don’t really know what you argument is.

That was Israel’s land long before they came and got it back.

The hatred for the Jew is as old as time. There is no new reason needed for the rest of the ME to hate the Jewish State.[/quote]
I disagree, that being somewhere 2,000 years ago, and even then not being the dominate inhabitant of the region, some how obliges someone to a divine right to OWN this land and expell the current inhabitants from it.

Also if we’re taking about some sort of ethnic inhabitant concept, most of the Jews in Europe, were descended from converts from the Kingdom Of Khazaria (in the Russian Steppe) rather than, some sort of Neo-Roman Judean refuges.

Also, Israel was never really a region, Judaea was a Roman province with a government nominall controlled by ancient Jews, but Israel was the tribes of Israel, and they were spread all over the place and kept on spreading.

The nation was named Israel because it was thought to be a recollection of all these tribes.

I don’t personally hate Jews.

I challenge your position that Jews are being scapegoated here.

For if Judaism is the scapegoat in the Middle East and they are all hellbent on doing Holocaust 2 on the Israelis, why are their significant and prosperous Jew communites in the great antagonist of Iran even to go as far as being permanently reserved a seat in government?

I don’t understand what that means.

Am I in college? Is that were you asking? What is a college kid? How do you qualify yourself as a college kid? I feel there is a deeper meaning to your question.

Enemy. Definitely.

That doesn’t mean we invade tomorrow.

It means that we don’t deal with them as respected equals, we refuse to trust them without verification, and we don’t defer to their wishes, and we start with the rebuttable presumption that they are acting in bad faith.

Iran has earned no less.

[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Enemy. Definitely.

That doesn’t mean we invade tomorrow.

It means that we don’t deal with them as respected equals, we refuse to trust them without verification, and we don’t defer to their wishes, and we start with the rebuttable presumption that they are acting in bad faith.

Iran has earned no less.

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I respect your opinion.

I’d like to know more about your position however, so it seems they’ve earned a level of condemnation in your opinion. From where does this condemnation derive, you indicate they’ve earned this condemnation, so I’d like to not what they have done to earn it.

[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Do you perceive Iran to be an enemy?

If so why or why not?

And if not, how do you perceive Iran?[/quote]

Iran has never invaded my homeland [in recent history], but has supported the resistance movement that has driven occupiers out of my country more than once.

What nation are you from?

[quote]Sikkario wrote:
Iran has never invaded my homeland [in recent history], but has supported the resistance movement that has driven occupiers out of my country more than once.
What nation are you from?[/quote]

Lebanon.