Is Civilian Gun Ownership a Necessity?

I’m not referring to rich/poor necessarily. I think cultural relativity and views on violence factor in. Hence the relatively low rate of assault/homicide in Japan

I’ve also seen a drunken idiot send themselves to the hospital :rofl:

Once again, societal differentiation. This happens here, but it’s uncommon if you’re vigilant. For those who fall victim (I know a few, one of whom was in a coma) the perpetrators were all punished harshly (jailtime).

What do I propose someone do? Within the context of the situations I refer to none of the parties were sober. These situational outcomes occured at parties, “doofs” (illigal, unregulated gatherings), nightclubs and the likes. A lot of these “king punches” in Australia occur within the confines of these environments. I’d like to think no one is carrying a firearm when drunk/high and discharging it in the middle of a crowded place.

Getting cornered and beaten up in a dark alleyway does occur here, but this IS typically reduced to rough (not necessarily poor) suburbs/youth gang violence.

I think the eye for an eye statement is flawed. If the individual isn’t mentally competent (not through inebriation, but say a severely autistic individual flails about and breaks someones jaw) I don’t believe he ought to have his jaw broken. He/she can’t comprehend what they’ve done and won’t understand why they’re being maimed.

I knew a few types of gun owners in the USA. I even owned a .22 pellet gun and I would regularly go shooting at ranges for fun. There were the “playing tough guys”, the self defence advocates, the conspiracy nuts (one of whom had been to juvie and should have never been able to acquire a weapon), the average Joe etc. There is no “typical gun owner”. I’m not a fan of how harshly I tend to get attacked whenever I’m slightly critical of the way gun ownership is in America.

Not to state I’m in the right or wrong, but American gun culture is unique to America. It’s not as if other countries look at your gun related homicide/suicide rate in envy. I don’t think it’s merely gun ownership that causes this, rather the culture surrounding gun ownership, the types of guns owned, enforced safety protocols etc largely factor in. Why do YOU think America’s gun homicide rate is so far above the majority of the developed world @BrickHead?

There you go… This is (in my opinion) the answer, no need to be facetious.

I have

Question, you’ve had suicidal ideation during your teenage years. Do you think owning a pistol would have helped with regards to this? Did you ever inflict harm upon yourself or attempt suicide? If so, once again… Do you think access to a firearm would have helped or hurt the situation?

Henceforth one of the reasons I believe safeguarding needs to be kept in mind with regards to firearm access. Suicide is a tricky topic, the right to die advocates have a point when/if someone is terminally ill and I’d tend to agree with them for late stage ALS etc.

But what about mental illness, there are those who aren’t ever going to come right, they want to die… So should they be able to? That’s a topic for another post all-together (euthanasia).

Oof, prepare to be attacked… Not by me though

I know myself and I can say having a gun around would’ve had no effect on following through on that ideation or not. If it were to, I’d say so.

Several factors that can’t be peacefully discussed and that I won’t discuss in any online forum.

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I can’t say the same for myself. I can attest having a gun would have = me not being here

I’m not going to get into the details as it’ll make people uncomfortable and it’d be profoundly inappropriate to post about online.

Had I owned a firearm at the time I wouldn’t be here, it’s as simple and as sad as that. To note, I’m not in that way anymore. This was following a seven month lockdown (stage four, can’t really leave your property) coupled with numerous concurrent unfortunate events

I’m still sad, but I’ve generally been sad/depressed for well over a decade now

Note I’m not “weak minded”. Anyone who has this opinion about depression/mental illness needs to educate themselves. I’ve been told this before, I’m passive but when people talk to me like that it makes me quite irritated

Send me an email!!! I’m always curious when you allude to these things but don’t elucidate.

Or not if you aren’t comfortable doing so that’s fine. I think it’d be an interesting conversation.

That’s fine. It always comes. But these people never attempt to find solutions. So they must think we don’t have a problem. Which I believe we do (in comparison to other countries like ours).

What, in your opinion, is the correct number?

The mass shootings are an issue, but they’re proportionately rare

Lone homicides, suicides by gun, gang related shootings etc on the other hand are rampant in the US.

Exactly 69

No. But brining up the “what about cars issue” makes sense. A big difference is we spend a massive amount of time and money to protect people in this area. You know what else we do big time? Have multiple laws and limit people’s ability to drive cars. Based on their knowledge of use, mental acuity, criminal history with a vehicle, etc.

I have no idea. As I always say in these threads when people are like “what types, what number, etc.”. I don’t claim to have all the answers. These are just things I feel should be discussed. I don’t often see good arguments for owning twenty guns or at least ones I’d agree with. But I’m open to listening to them.

1 bolt action hunting rifle or break action shotgun, and 1 revolver per household. Less than 50 rounds in possession at any one time, and to buy more the empty shells from the previous 50 must be turned in (sick of redneck white trash leaving shells everywhere).

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So why not discuss it then? Simply saying X number is too many, but I have no idea what the correct number should be, is not a discussion, it’s just a hollow statement. I’m willing to listen to what you have to say without attacking your thoughts.

I’m trying to type more, and will once I get on a computer. My phone is not cooperating with me atm.

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I don’t hate CG’s idea above. I was also waiting on the yeah we do need twenty guns arguments before I replied but his recommendations seem like a decent start .

All good. The forum has become really hard to use on a phone. Hoping it gets better

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I don’t have 20 guns, but I like to buy one per year so I’ll probably get there in the next decade or so. I like collecting things I like. Utililty aside, guns hold their value well and often appreciate over time.

Here’s 20 categories of firearms I either have now or would like to have in the future. I don’t anticipate selling any of my firearms. I’ll just get a bigger safe.

  1. Large game bolt-action rifle in .30-06
  2. Small game bolt-action rifle in .22
  3. Large game shotgun in 12 Gauge
  4. Small game shotgun in .410 gauge
  5. Concealed carry pistol in 9mm
  6. Full size pistol in 9mm
  7. Backup concealed carry revolver in .38 special
  8. .22 caliber pistol for practice
  9. Antique that doesn’t get shot but functions fine
  10. Defensive carbine in 5.56
  11. Defensive shotgun in 12 gauge
  12. Competition shotgun in 20 gauge
  13. Competition carbine in .223
  14. Competition pistol in .45 ACP
  15. Dedicated deer rifle in 6.5 Creedmore
  16. Dedicated defensive firearm for first floor of home
  17. Dedicated defensive firearm for second floor of home
  18. Dedicated defensive firearm for third floor of home
  19. .22 takedown rifle
  20. A high-end over/under shotgun of heirloom quality

@Californiagrown 50 round limit? You must not like the idea of training, eh?

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One muzzle loader and a flint lock pistol was sitting right there waiting for you man.

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Yeah and some people have a lot more even. This doesn’t really make an argument for it being a necessity to own that many as much as saying it’s something you enjoy.

The argument is that none of those purposes are nefarious or unreasonable by themselves or collectively. Nor is being an enthusiast or collector of dangerous items.

If “necessity” becomes the standard, nearly everything can be banned for ostensible public safety measures. Who needs a motorcycle, speedboat, sports car, tobacco products, alcohol products, unhealthy foods, pornography, music, film, books, you-name-it?

If omnipotent moral busybodies too woke to see past their own nose are further empowered to tell the rest of us what is “necessary”, we shall be truly fucked.

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The vast majority of these cannot be used to injure 867 people in a small amount of time like the Vegas shooting. I believe the why not ban all potentially harmful things is weak. Is anyone in here even really arguing hard to ban gun ownership?