They FAR exceed firearms deaths. It seems as though you’re shifting your goal post from “guns aren’t necessary” to “guns are uniquely dangerous, see Vegas shooting”. Facts do not support this notion.
647,000 dead per year from heart disease in the USA alone. 480,000 from tobacco-related illness. 95,000 from alcohol-related events. 38,000 vehicle deaths per year. 70,000 drug overdose deaths per year. 50,000 suicides. Nearly all preventable. Compare that to approximately 15,000 homicides by firearms per year and a few hundred accidental deaths. From a health and safety perspective, which seems to be the argument you’re making, guns are very, very far down on the list. This is especially true if you’re not a criminal and have the awareness and wisdom to to avoid bad neighborhoods and bad people.
I know three people who’ve died on motorcycles. Six dead from opiates. Preventable, lifestyle-related illnesses have killed off many of my extended family. I know nobody who has died from a gunshot.
Any talk of restricting guns also should consider the objective good done by armed citizens. An Obama era CDC study concluded…
“Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence”:
Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.
Of course they are. Can a cheeseburger injure over 800 people in a matter of minutes?
Tobacco kills one person at a time as does heart disease. I can’t use tobacco to kill 60 people in minutes. Suicides are more likely with access to firearms.
Why do a lot of deaths in one area say we shouldn’t do anything in another area? By this logic why have rules and attempts to prevent death on anything but heart disease?
They don’t. That’s a straw man position held by nobody that I know of.
You’re the one saying something needs to be done about guns, and that something is stricter gun control. The reason you give is one of public safety and the destructive potential guns have. You also seemed to indicate they are unnecessary.
Yet you don’t seem to apply your thought process to other dangerous items. That seems incongruent to me.
Cars can and do match the destructive potential of guns. Look up the Toronto Van attack. Look up mass stabbings in China. Look up the Happy Land Fire. There are all kinds of dangerous things and all kinds of dangerous people in the world.
Seems that before each of us starts offering arbitrary numbers of firearms any one person (household) should be limited to own, why not discuss parameters for determining need?
Also, there should be discussion if some magical maximum number exists, does the addition of one more firearm make that person more dangerous.
It seems there is a rational discussion as to how many rounds any one firearm can legally contain. But do know that an expert can change magazines as fast as you can get your gun out of your pocket or holster.
Yep. Types and amounts seem to make the most sense.
Of course they are. If you had a fire today and lost all your guns you would be ok. You need food, water, shelter. You don’t “need” guns. A lot of people do without. The thread was are guns a necessity and of course they aren’t. Again I’m not trying to ban them outright. And even if I was it ain’t happening.
Yes it’s possible to harm people in other ways. I’m not saying it isn’t. If I set out to kill 100 people today I’m picking a gun. I doubt you’re picking a knife or a van. In the US do we have a lot of mass “vannings” per year? Where people take a van and try to kill as many people as possible?
If it’s more difficult to obtain a massive amount of weapons it’s less likely that those will be used. If it’s more difficult to obtain weapons with the potential to quickly harm many it’s less likely that harm will take place.
It’s not like it’s a fringe position. The majority of Americans support universal background checks or stricter gun laws in some sense.
I gotta go lift though. And try to fix this fucking shoulder impingement.
You need to fix your lack of confidence. Stop practicing. Watch lots of movies about people shooting people. Tell yourself it’s that easy.
If you’re ever around a shooter, just freeze up and be a victim. Don’t run or seek cover, because it’s easy to hit moving targets and nothing can stop a bullet.
I also have a hardware issue with my phone, the touchscreen is failing rapidly. It’s my first and last LG phone experience, that’s for sure.
In regards to the “correct number of guns” to own, RT provides a good soundbite on the matter:
This is my hangup with imposing an arbitrary limit on ownership. If a harmless person has 2 guns or 200 guns, they remain harmless. If we’re discussing the other side of the coin, even a single gun in the hands of a violent criminal is too many, and I doubt any one who is pro private gun ownership will deny that. But we already have those laws, and what we’re discussing is legislation that affects only those of us who are not criminals.
Magazine capacity is another completely arbitrary number that only those of us who do not want to be felons will be impacted by.
RT, what do you imagine parameters for determining need would look like?
Despite not wanting to personally own a conventional firearm I’d certainly invest in an antique muzzleloading firearm if I thought the value would go up over time. Some of those rifles, pistols and shotguns are beautifully crafted. VERY expensive though, what I wanted was approaching like 5-6000$ (crafted with precious metals engraved into the weapon).
I’d hardly call it a weapon nowdays… Sure, you can fire one but one can’t procure ammunition for it here without being part of a club. Henceforth I believe the risk would be nil to none.
Where in your shoulder do you feel impingement, what execises are you trying to correct it with? This is one I might actually be able to help you with.Impingement sucks.
These are typically self imposed. An individual shooting others isn’t.
But anabolic steroids, soft drugs, access to contraception/sexual health services are either restricted or illegal. I also believe tobacco/alcohol products shouldn’t be promoted. Use ought to be discouraged albeit not banned as I believe one has a right to impose self destructive habits upon oneself so long as they don’t directly affect others.
What’s more, back in the day I recall many advocating for a ban on “satanic music” and various video games.
I agree, we see a lot of this shit in Aus and as a result we are covered with red tape, nanny state bylaws and ridiculous regulations.
Pressing and flye type movements. I’ve been starting to work with some aspects of the following. I’m not training less or anything and the pain isn’t unbearable but it’s made me shift the way I perform some of these moves (semi supination as opposed to pronation.). I’m hoping if I actually start doing some of this shit it will help.
I’ve always had pain when pressing. Anatomically some people just aren’t built for it
I have a birth defect around my left shoulder, an area of “excess/malformed bone growth” as I was born extremely premature. As a result that shoulder hurts quite a bit during pressing, no amount of physiotherapy or stretching is going to help… That’s just the way it is.
Have you always had pain during pressing movements?
No. I’ve long had tennis elbow type issues. At one point I couldn’t hold a cup of coffee in my left arm without shooting pain. I managed to learn about everything possible about the elbow and fix this over time. I still spend a shit ton of time working to prevent this from happening in the future.
Shoulder pain is new though. And I’d rather get ahead of it before it gets worse. I’m just usually a bit lazy when it comes to prehab/rehab shit. But I’m not getting any younger and still attempt to train balls to the walls.
