Good grief, now Rainjack wants to discuss my personal life. That sounds appropriate… umm, no thanks.
Anyhow, yes, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays I can get behind. Here’s hoping you and yours have a safe and happy holiday season.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Anyhow, yes, Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays I can get behind. Here’s hoping you and yours have a safe and happy holiday season.[/quote]
Isn’t Merry Christmas politiacally incorrect in Canada? you are possibly the only man with guts in Canada!!!
[quote]vroom wrote:
Good grief, now Rainjack wants to discuss my personal life. That sounds appropriate… umm, no thanks.[/quote]
I could give a shit about your personal life. You are the one that was talking about sitting around and worrying, and then explained how you solve problems for a living. Check the thread - i don’t recall ever asking for that kind of information. But none the less - I think you have to first have a life before ANYONE can discuss it.
There’s an outside shot that that might just happen.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
The last thing that the Bush Administration and it’s corporate allies want is a truly free election. They want a puppet regime. A truly free Iraq would be unwilling to allow it’s economy to be put up for sale to foreign capital and to let this country maintain troops on their soil.
Are you saying a free Iraq would not sell it’s oil or are you just rambling?
Of course Iraq would sell it’s oil - it’s their main source of wealth. But now all that wealth is under control of a foreign country(U.S.). Does any countries inhabitants want to see their natural resources controlled by another country?
What “control” are you talking about?
They sell, we buy.
We give them tons of money for rebuilding in addition to oil revenues.
Our troops fight and die to protect their fledgling democracy.
Who is taking advantage of whom?[/quote]
The control of the oil reserves, what else?
Do you really think that the Iraqi’s are in control of their own natural resource?
The big oil companies are in charge of that area now with protection coming from our troops.
Who gets "tons o’ money for rebuilding? I’ll tell you who - American owned corporations make up the bulk of that largeese.
The American public and our troops are being taken advantage of through the propaganda system. Not to mention the thousands upon thousands of innocent deaths that have occured.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
Would you want a foreign country in control of our natural resources?
Bullshit. Prove it. Honestly - do you ever tire of regurgitating MoveOn.org/Al Jazeera talking points?
When did I mention anything about the election being a sham?
I think when you used the term “puppet regime” you were calling the elections a sham.
And you know the wishes of Iraq’s because…
I don’t. I just know how many voted in free and open elections that will select their government. You are the one that seems to think you know what their wishes are…and have yet to explain why.
[/quote]
Bullshit! You prove that U.S. oil companies aren’t in control of Iraq’s most precious resource. Honestly do you ever tire of regurgitating the corporate mass media?
You are correct I did elude to the election being a sham. Yes people will vote but the U.S. will make sure that the candidate(s) supports the orders from Washington.
I’m guessing that any inhabitants of any country, overwhelmingly do not want foreigners controling their natural resources. This is extremely reasonable assumtion - correct?
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
The last thing that the Bush Administration and it’s corporate allies want is a truly free election. They want a puppet regime. A truly free Iraq would be unwilling to allow it’s economy to be put up for sale to foreign capital and to let this country maintain troops on their soil.
Are you saying a free Iraq would not sell it’s oil or are you just rambling?
Of course Iraq would sell it’s oil - it’s their main source of wealth. But now all that wealth is under control of a foreign country(U.S.). Does any countries inhabitants want to see their natural resources controlled by another country?
What “control” are you talking about?
They sell, we buy.
We give them tons of money for rebuilding in addition to oil revenues.
Our troops fight and die to protect their fledgling democracy.
Who is taking advantage of whom?
The control of the oil reserves, what else?
Do you really think that the Iraqi’s are in control of their own natural resource?
The big oil companies are in charge of that area now with protection coming from our troops.
Who gets "tons o’ money for rebuilding? I’ll tell you who - American owned corporations make up the bulk of that largeese.
The American public and our troops are being taken advantage of through the propaganda system. Not to mention the thousands upon thousands of innocent deaths that have occured.[/quote]
Saddam and the terrorist sure have killed a lot of people haven’t they?
I still don’t understand the “control” deal. The government of Iraq is recieving the money from the oil revenue. We are not stealing. Any “control” the US has is tenuous at best.
Do you pay any attention to world events or do you just work from leftist preconcieved notions?
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Bullshit! You prove that U.S. oil companies aren’t in control of Iraq’s most precious resource. Honestly do you ever tire of regurgitating the corporate mass media?[/quote]
It most certainly is bullshit. You make an accusation about how Evil Oil is in control of "Iraq’s most precious resource, and then demand proof from me? Fuck that, kiddo. It doesn’t happen like that.
In fact show me where I have regurgitated anything but the great news of people exercising the most basic of personal freedoms.
I suppose you have some proof of this? And even if it is true - the Iraqis now have the right to change whatever they dislike about the evil Imperialists from The West.
Once again you use unsubstantiated, unproven lies from George Soros to try and make a convincing argument here.
It is a very simple request. One that you seem unwilling to hoor. Maybe becasue it is impossible to prove such a lie, and maybe because you think that if you merely repeat it often enough it will be taken as fact. BUT - Prove that we are in control of Iraq’s oil.
I fear that you won;t though. as you seem to be taking every move you make out of the Left-wing handbook. FYI - everyone already knows all the plays, and they don’t work.
WTF? There’s still hippies crying that we went over there to steal oil? Holy shit – this is funny! Go Zep, it’s yer berthday…
[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
WTF? There’s still hippies crying that we went over there to steal oil? Holy shit – this is funny! Go Zep, it’s yer berthday…[/quote]
I don’t think that this is a hippie ideal at all. I say it constantly, we wouldnt be there if Iraq grew carrots.
We want a strong military prescence where the oil lies. This will benefit the oil companies accordingly. I don’t think this is all that far fetched; we have done it before for industries that are far less influential than the oil industry.
irish,
There is a world of difference between protecting a valuable resource and the claims that we are “stealing Iraq’s oil.”
Of course the Middle East is important to us because of oil
Jesus, we can’t even get the ok to drill in Alaska where the Representatives WANT US TO DRILL.
That being said, the charge that we are “stealing their oil” is categorically false.
If my sources are correct, we aren’t using their oil revenues to finance THEIR OWN RECONSTRUCTION.
I personally would be all for using the oil for that purpose. If morons are going to blame us anyway for “stealing the oil,” why not use the oil for the Iraqi Reconstruction?
Hope you had a MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
JeffR
[quote]JeffR wrote:
“zeppelin795 wrote:
The last thing that the Bush Administration and it’s corporate allies want is a truly free election. They want a puppet regime. A truly free Iraq would be unwilling to allow it’s economy to be put up for sale to foreign capital and to let this country maintain troops on their soil.”
Great post!!!
Unfortunately, there is exactly no evidence supporting your view.
Does anyone have (even leftie-nutjob links) purporting that the Iraqi’s were “told how to vote by the Americans.”
If you don’t have anything, please retract your little abb talking point.
Thanks!!!
JeffR
[/quote]
Actually there is quite a bit of evidence but if you just listen to the corporate mass media you’ll never know.
“To give the truth to him who loves it not is but to give him plentiful material for misinterpretation.”
- George McDonald
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
The last thing that the Bush Administration and it’s corporate allies want is a truly free election. They want a puppet regime. A truly free Iraq would be unwilling to allow it’s economy to be put up for sale to foreign capital and to let this country maintain troops on their soil.
Are you saying a free Iraq would not sell it’s oil or are you just rambling?
Of course Iraq would sell it’s oil - it’s their main source of wealth. But now all that wealth is under control of a foreign country(U.S.). Does any countries inhabitants want to see their natural resources controlled by another country?
What “control” are you talking about?
They sell, we buy.
We give them tons of money for rebuilding in addition to oil revenues.
Our troops fight and die to protect their fledgling democracy.
Who is taking advantage of whom?
The control of the oil reserves, what else?
Do you really think that the Iraqi’s are in control of their own natural resource?
The big oil companies are in charge of that area now with protection coming from our troops.
Who gets "tons o’ money for rebuilding? I’ll tell you who - American owned corporations make up the bulk of that largeese.
The American public and our troops are being taken advantage of through the propaganda system. Not to mention the thousands upon thousands of innocent deaths that have occured.
Saddam and the terrorist sure have killed a lot of people haven’t they?
I still don’t understand the “control” deal. The government of Iraq is recieving the money from the oil revenue. We are not stealing. Any “control” the US has is tenuous at best.
Do you pay any attention to world events or do you just work from leftist preconcieved notions?[/quote]
Sure Saddam and counless others have killed many - this includes our country. But I’m not sure of your point.
Of course profits will go to the Iraqi government who will remain our satellite which will benefit greatly Big Oil!
Do you ever look outside the corporate mass media or do you just trust them?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
Bullshit! You prove that U.S. oil companies aren’t in control of Iraq’s most precious resource. Honestly do you ever tire of regurgitating the corporate mass media?
It most certainly is bullshit. You make an accusation about how Evil Oil is in control of "Iraq’s most precious resource, and then demand proof from me? Fuck that, kiddo. It doesn’t happen like that.
In fact show me where I have regurgitated anything but the great news of people exercising the most basic of personal freedoms.
You are correct I did elude to the election being a sham. Yes people will vote but the U.S. will make sure that the candidate(s) supports the orders from Washington.
I suppose you have some proof of this? And even if it is true - the Iraqis now have the right to change whatever they dislike about the evil Imperialists from The West.
I’m guessing that any inhabitants of any country, overwhelmingly do not want foreigners controling their natural resources. This is extremely reasonable assumtion - correct?
Once again you use unsubstantiated, unproven lies from George Soros to try and make a convincing argument here.
It is a very simple request. One that you seem unwilling to hoor. Maybe becasue it is impossible to prove such a lie, and maybe because you think that if you merely repeat it often enough it will be taken as fact. BUT - Prove that we are in control of Iraq’s oil.
I fear that you won;t though. as you seem to be taking every move you make out of the Left-wing handbook. FYI - everyone already knows all the plays, and they don’t work.
[/quote]
You obviously believe that Iraq is in control of their oil so why shouldn’t you bear the burden of proof for your beliefs?
You’ve regurgitate U.S. corporate mass media.
Yes their is proof but you ahve to look outside Rush and the NYTimes.
I had no idea George Soros said those things.
Again shouldn’t you have to prove that we aren’t in control of the oil or am I just supposed to believe you? You are just as responsible as I am.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
You obviously believe that Iraq is in control of their oil so why shouldn’t you bear the burden of proof for your beliefs?[/quote]
Because you are the one making the accusations. If it is so easy to prove who is on control of the oil, then you shouldn’t have a problem proving (as opposed to just spouting off propagandized accusation)it, right? You have never used anything even remotely resembling proof in any of your anti-American drivel.
No - I am just an American that is proud to be such, and proudly support the troops.
Then fetch, boy, fetch. All you have to do is bring the proof. But it seems all you can do is slam mass media without proving it. I don’t listen to Rush - and I think the NYT is one of the filtiest rags on the newstand.
Then where are you getting your I hate America kool-aid from? That’s right “real” news. Bwahahahaha!!!
I could give a shit whether you believe me or not. You are the one that said we were in control of Iraq’s oil. You are the one that has to prove it. If you don’t like how the game is played - don’t make accusations that you can’t defend without whining for someone to do it for you.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
irish,
There is a world of difference between protecting a valuable resource and the claims that we are “stealing Iraq’s oil.”
[/quote]
So how are we not imperialist by doing this?
Is this a bad thing? That which would not support America’s oil hunger for a year? It’s not a good idea. Are you kidding?
The reconstruction is not important! Who cares how we make them better? We started the fucking war, we should be giving them the means to rebuild! As I recall, there was not a huge “Free Iraq” movement here! What are we trying to prove by using their resources to rebuild their country?
Whatever. You base everything on Bush’s bullshit, and have nothing to support yourself. Merry Christmas? No. You are a Republican troll. Fuck off.
Rainjack: Do you believe that Iraqi’s are in control of their oil?
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Rainjack: Do you believe that Iraqi’s are in control of their oil?[/quote]
Nice try. Really. But I’m not taking the bait. I’ll ask you - Do YOU think the Iraqis are in control of their oil?
Everybody arguing about oil and war should go see the movie Syriana.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
Zeppelin795 wrote:
Rainjack: Do you believe that Iraqi’s are in control of their oil?
Nice try. Really. But I’m not taking the bait. I’ll ask you - Do YOU think the Iraqis are in control of their oil?[/quote]
It’s not bait just a simple question you won’t answer for fear I’ll hold you to your own standard. Nice duck!
[quote]vroom wrote:
Everybody arguing about oil and war should go see the movie Syriana.[/quote]
Can’t wait!