[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
rainjack wrote:
vroom wrote:
He’s got as much chance of being right about what the Iraqi’s want as anyone else…
Nope. I think the Iraqis that came out to vote - which at last count had the turnout at about 70% - did what they wanted.
Second guessing the will of the people is a tired old trick played by the left wing as well. I guess they just can’t stand it when people are actually allowed to determine their own path. Go figure.
[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Would you want a foreign country in control of our natural resources? [/quote]
Bullshit. Prove it. Honestly - do you ever tire of regurgitating MoveOn.org/Al Jazeera talking points?
I think when you used the term “puppet regime” you were calling the elections a sham.
I don’t. I just know how many voted in free and open elections that will select their government. You are the one that seems to think you know what their wishes are…and have yet to explain why.
If and when they go for an Islamic fundamentalist government, complete with expulsion of US forces and repression of rights for women, I’ll ask you if you support their right for self determination at that point.
Other than that, I can’t believe you started an argument over saying that they wanted to participate in the election.
What a fucking non-statement. I thought you were actually trying to say something substantial. My mistake.
I love your optimism. Quit looking so far down the road. Democracy has a funny way of allowing free people to remain free. Just look at Turkey.
The attitude the ABB/pro-terrorist crowd has toward freedom for the Iraqis is nothing short of sickening.
I didn’t start the argument. I am only defending the Iraqis’ right to vote. Something you seem fearful of.
Which is more than I can say for anything you have written on this thread. You are not that smart. Everything is not that complex. Free people vote. Free people determine their own destiny without having to consult you as to which way they should vote. Surely you knew this.
[quote]I love your optimism. Quit looking so far down the road. Democracy has a funny way of allowing free people to remain free. Just look at Turkey.
The attitude the ABB/pro-terrorist crowd has toward freedom for the Iraqis is nothing short of sickening. [/quote]
You are always trying to flip things around.
I’ve said I’ll double check your opinion if and when things go south. That is hardly pessimism or a lack of hope that the Iraqi populace will be free.
Nice touch on the abb/pro-terrorist schmaltz. Talking points anyone?
I’ve already said I hope things turn out well… but I do get to ask for your opinion or explanation if things don’t turn up roses – especially since you are the one busy smelling all the flowers.
[quote]vroom wrote:
I’ve already said I hope things turn out well… but I do get to ask for your opinion or explanation if things don’t turn up roses – especially since you are the one busy smelling all the flowers.
Go figure.[/quote]
I’m just not the pessimist you are. Nor do I think the world is this huge complex matrix of possibilities that must all be thought out to their end point before I can feel good about 15 million people being liberated and having a say in their future.
Zeppelin795 wrote:
The last thing that the Bush Administration and it’s corporate allies want is a truly free election. They want a puppet regime. A truly free Iraq would be unwilling to allow it’s economy to be put up for sale to foreign capital and to let this country maintain troops on their soil.
Are you saying a free Iraq would not sell it’s oil or are you just rambling?
Of course Iraq would sell it’s oil - it’s their main source of wealth. But now all that wealth is under control of a foreign country(U.S.). Does any countries inhabitants want to see their natural resources controlled by another country?
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What “control” are you talking about?
They sell, we buy.
We give them tons of money for rebuilding in addition to oil revenues.
Our troops fight and die to protect their fledgling democracy.
[quote]vroom wrote:
You sit around and clap and wave your pom-poms while the rest of us worry about how to make sure things stay good. [/quote]
Nope - I own a business, I pay taxes, I have an employee. I contribute to the U.S. economy in my own small way. Unlike some who favor sitting under their foreign thinking tree and worry about things in countries they don’t even support. I am too busy living to worry. Worrying is for estrogen filled girly-men.
Tell me vroom - how many world problems have you solved by worrying?
[quote]rainjack wrote:
vroom wrote:
You sit around and clap and wave your pom-poms while the rest of us worry about how to make sure things stay good.
Nope - I own a business, I pay taxes, I have an employee. I contribute to the U.S. economy in my own small way. Unlike some who favor sitting under their foreign thinking tree and worry about things in countries they don’t even support. I am too busy living to worry. Worrying is for estrogen filled girly-men.
Tell me vroom - how many world problems have you solved by worrying?
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RIGHT! There is no thinking required in the US. All our thinking trees got cut down when the EPA became pussified, and beside, thinking is a result of high estrogen levels, just like compassion. “Thinking” is refered to as “dissent”, which is, of course, REPREHENSIBLE. We will call compassion “woman”, so when you want to say one is being compassionate, as those crazy left wing pussies tend to be, you just fill in “womanly” so everyone knows exactly what you are talking about.
You are a dissenting woman Vroom. Good thing you live up in Canadia or whatever your country is called (which will be refered to anyway as “NOT US” from now on; double meaning right
Watch out Vroom. You are a dissenting woman. And there are is no room for either of those things in the U.S. of A.
Are those bitch tits I see? You estrogen filled woman you…GO EMPLOY SOMEBODY AND MAKE A MAN OF YOURSELF!
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
RIGHT! There is no thinking required in the US. All our thinking trees got cut down when the EPA became pussified, and beside, thinking is a result of high estrogen levels, just like compassion. “Thinking” is refered to as “dissent”, which is, of course, REPREHENSIBLE. We will call compassion “woman”, so when you want to say one is being compassionate, as those crazy left wing pussies tend to be, you just fill in “womanly” so everyone knows exactly what you are talking about.[/quote]
How long did it take you to come up with this barely-post pubescent drivel? Did you laugh heartily at how smart it sounded? But nice try, junior. You haven’t contributed anything to society in your young idealistic life. I would suggest you actually do something with your life before you propose to speak about things that occured before you were even old enough to get a nut.
But that is what you do. No job. No significance. Just anger at shit you know nothing about. How much thinking is required for you do do nothing but sit on your ass and bitch all day?
My “thinking” has probably solved about as many “world” problems as your “cheerleading”.
Rainjack, whether you like it or not, my entire career is about finding solutions to problems and then participating in projects to put those solutions in place.
It’s what I do. Maybe some day I’ll have the resources at hand to have the opportunity to oversee a “world” problem. I doubt it though, not many people get to be “in charge” of world issues. I’m good at many aspects of it, I’d be willing to go for it and risk failure and nay-saying on the big stage.
Thanks for your “heartfelt” concern for my well being though.
[quote]Why must you hide behind the skirt of a kid?
I guess you take what ever alliances come to you when you spend more time worrying than you do living. It leaves no time to make friends.[/quote]
Slow down tex. I can only write one reply at a time y’know.
How come you hate younger people so much? You go off on younger people a lot around these parts, calling them junior, insulting them, and so forth, simply because they aren’t older than they are.
I can’t believe I see these words coming from your keyboard “it leaves no time to make friends”. Ahahahaa. If anything around here is estrogenic, that would be it.
Anyway, maybe we could find our way back to the topic at hand?
[quote]vroom wrote:
My “thinking” has probably solved about as many “world” problems as your “cheerleading”.[/quote]
You don’t see me championing my ‘cheerleading’, as you call it, as a morally superior way to live life.
You, on the other hand, cannot fathom the fact that I don’t spend my days worrying about a better life, but spend it actually doing something about it. But nice try at the switcheroo
{golf clap}Great. Yippee.{/golf clap}
My entire career is spent pouring over numbers and trying to save people money. What in the fuck does that have to do with the fact that you spend your time worrying instead of living? Your career is no excuse for a lack of life.
Aren’t we done yet? Who said anything about morally superior?
I like how you have focused on the word “worrying” today. The world needs a bit of thinking, the fact I do it for a living just implies I’m going to keep on doing it. Sorry if I came across as poorly as your “I have an employee” did.
Just like a lot of people don’t exercise their bodies and we here laugh at them, some folks think the mind can use a bit of exercise too. If you don’t, that is your choice.
I’d love to tackle an appropriate “world” problem Rainjack, I really would. It feels good to put something into place and see it work. Yes, it can also fail, but I’m not afraid of taking a risk.
Some of us try to advance and grow during the course of our lives… damn, that sounds almost as estrogenic as your “you need more time to make friends” crap.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Aren’t we done yet? Who said anything about morally superior?[/quote]
Evidently neither of us can let the other have the last word - so I guess not.
FYI - thinking and worrying are not interchangeable.
I make a damn good living using my brain. To insinutae that I don’t think is wrong on your part and you know it. I have said it many times: I don’t do my thinking on a public forum. Just because I don’t wave my arms and draw attention to my musings about the problems that plague our lives doesn’t mean I am void of rumination about things.
My livelihood depends on my ability to make a decision and stand by it. Whether it is a tax issue, or a management issue - I have to know what I am doing is the right thing, ot I lose the confidence of my client. Mistakes are forgiveable. The appearance of indecision, or fear is not.
Do you have friends, vroom? How is making friends estrogenic? I’m apologize if I leave my work at the office, and I make sure I have time for things outside my career field and the gym. I’m not seeing the soy in that.
Jesus RJ, you were open for that one. You can’t blame me for taking that oppurtunity- that was straight republican bullshit that was easy to spin.
Don’t claim that he was hiding behiond a “kid’s skirts”, because I am far more informed than 90% of the people that you (or I) know, and that is obvious. Don’t use my youth as an excuse to say that my life is worthless- that’s a cheap copout you use when when you have nothing witty to say back. You can’t just say, “Well, you’re young, so you don’t know what you’re talking about”. It doesn’t work like that.
I have not insulted you. You gave anyone with half a brain a chance to rip you (with that post) and I took it. But what’s with the personal insults? Do I really get you that pissed off? If I do, you have to calm down.
Do you really think that I have no job? Have I not been driving a forklift since I was 16? But you would not know about that.
When have I shown that I do nothing but “sit on my ass and bitch all day”?
So spare me the "stupid kid’ shit. i know what I am talking about, and I have sources for my info. Please, do not treat me like I am a dopey 14 year old. I do not treat you like one.
