Iranian Guard: We'll 'Punch' the US

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]lixy wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Just because of our culture,economy, and what our country is supposed to stand for…we will always be an influence on the rest of the world whether it is embraced or hated…

Don’t you think you’re pushing it a bit too much? I mean, the US is great and all, but “what your country stands for” is an overstatement. It’s all been done before, and I don’t see what traits you consider inherent to your country that Britain, the Netherlands, France or Italy don’t have.

even if we didn’t give unconditional support to Israel,we would still have the same tensions we have now between the U.S. and certain Parties(not entire countries). Just my 2 cents.

Can’t argue with that.[/quote]

If you look closely…as you try to with everything else…you’ll see that I said “supposed” to stand for…I already know “what we stand for” is a big overstatement as of now. Besides,how can you argue my point and then validate my argument with your last comment above? Why would we still have the same tensions?? Million dollar question,huh? Hardly.

I don’t think I’m pushing it too much. Our culture influences so much…your avatar is a byproduct and so is your current method of communicating with “us” Americans…therefore influencing your very existence on this U.S. web site…you can’t argue with that either. I’m done.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
If you look closely…as you try to with everything else…you’ll see that I said “supposed” to stand for…I already know “what we stand for” is a big overstatement as of now. [/quote]

My bad.

It’s pretty simple really. A lot of damage has already been done. If you don’t think the relatives of Abeer Qassim Hamza are actively trying to harm the United States, I’d say that you lack imagination.

Plus, Ben Laden is still alive and will not rest until a bullet is put through his head. The tension will continue to exist, not because of the cultural difference or anything, but because some wackos are out to get us all.

Al-Qaeda has been focusing on the US because it was using legitimate grievances to further their murderous agenda. If you stop unconditionally supporting Israel and adopt a non-interventionist foreign policy, Ben Laden will still be after you, me, and anyone who doesn’t ascribe to his medieval view of the world. There’s nothing you can do to change his mind; you need a sniper to put a bullet thru his head.

Seriously, it would have cost a tiny fraction of the billions (I could have safely said trillions even) you’ve been spending to foster the hate.

Terrorism isn’t dealt with using F-16s and battle ships. The way to defeat it is by intelligence gathering, diplomacy and stealthy operations. Go ask any “expert” on the planet (not an American one).

You culture influences…so what? That’s not open to debate. It’s a truism. However, I fail to see why cultural influence would cause tensions. If anything, this American-dominated zeitgeist facilitates dialog and understanding among people and nations.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
And chances of a country on the other side of the globe to represent a threat to you are pretty freakin slim. [/quote]

How about countries armed with Intercontinental ballistic missiles? Afghanistan was on the other side of the globe, but terrorists living in that country managed to strike out against America. So a country across the globe can represent a big threat.

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[quote]mstott25 wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:

You are rambling.

If we stayed out of the middle east it would take about one day for Iran to mine and the Straights of Hormuz again and demand tribute from every ship.

That is only one of many, many bad tings that would happen that would disrupt the world.

Not really sure what the idiot mayor of NO has to do with that.

Zap - we cleared the mines out of the straits of Hormuz with some navy divers the last time - I’m sure we could do the same thing again. Then again we won’t need to if we could just learn to leave sovereign nations alone.

Now if Iran declares war on the U.S. (which is never going to happen) then you have a valid reason for going to war. But as far as your hypothetical list of doomsday scenarios - none of those reasons are in the least bit compelling. [/quote]

You advocate withdrawing from the area. As soon as we did we would have to go right back in. Why bother? Someone has to keep the peace, unfortunately it is us.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
If you look closely…as you try to with everything else…you’ll see that I said “supposed” to stand for…I already know “what we stand for” is a big overstatement as of now.

My bad.

Besides,how can you argue my point and then validate my argument with your last comment above? Why would we still have the same tensions?? Million dollar question,huh? Hardly.

It’s pretty simple really. A lot of damage has already been done. If you don’t think the relatives of Abeer Qassim Hamza are actively trying to harm the United States, I’d say that you lack imagination.

Plus, Ben Laden is still alive and will not rest until a bullet is put through his head. The tension will continue to exist, not because of the cultural difference or anything, but because some wackos are out to get us all.

Al-Qaeda has been focusing on the US because it was using legitimate grievances to further their murderous agenda. If you stop unconditionally supporting Israel and adopt a non-interventionist foreign policy, Ben Laden will still be after you, me, and anyone who doesn’t ascribe to his medieval view of the world. There’s nothing you can do to change his mind; you need a sniper to put a bullet thru his head.

Seriously, it would have cost a tiny fraction of the billions (I could have safely said trillions even) you’ve been spending to foster the hate.

Terrorism isn’t dealt with using F-16s and battle ships. The way to defeat it is by intelligence gathering, diplomacy and stealthy operations. Go ask any “expert” on the planet (not an American one).

I don’t think I’m pushing it too much. Our culture influences so much…your avatar is a byproduct and so is your current method of communicating with “us” Americans…therefore influencing your very existence on this U.S. web site…you can’t argue with that either. I’m done.

You culture influences…so what? That’s not open to debate. It’s a truism. However, I fail to see why cultural influence would cause tensions. If anything, this American-dominated zeitgeist facilitates dialog and understanding among people and nations.[/quote]

Most American “experts” and even “non-experts” including myself…would agree with that plan of “attack” on terrorism.

If you can’t see the impact that cultural influence has…you are blind,deaf,and dumb.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Just because of our culture,economy, and what our country is supposed to stand for…we will always be an influence on the rest of the world whether it is embraced or hated…

Don’t you think you’re pushing it a bit too much? I mean, the US is great and all, but “what your country stands for” is an overstatement. It’s all been done before, and I don’t see what traits you consider inherent to your country that Britain, the Netherlands, France or Italy don’t have.

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The United States is based upon axiomatic deductive logic: “We hold these truths to be self-evident…” This means, for those of you in Rio Linde: “Here are our axioms:…”

Those other countries were created by accident, by drift and circumstance. And that is why the United States is the greatest country in the history of this planet.

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Headhunter, did that hurt your back?

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