What are you trying to say here?
Far leftists bringing the country down from
the inside
Imperialist wars in the middle east
Epstein
Nobody wants to see what the common problem is.
I know what you are implying, but it’s not them alone. The people following that guy who the other three ruffians killed are a part of it.
Of course it is not the sole fault of one group.
But they make up a miniscule percentage of the US and global population.
It’s cool, sorry for the delayed response
For those that don’t know, “Wahhabism” is usually a pejorative among Muslims for what it’s worth. Not that you should apologize - it’s that there’s many that have been influenced that would not realize or identify themselves as “Wahhabis”. I’m not going to defend Abdul Wahhab in particular but the Muslims as a whole by an analogy - judging Islam by that is like judging America by the KKK.
And I might deserve some heat for this next part but might there have been some KKK members that discouraged terrorism within the group and didn’t participate in it?
The video you’ve linked seems to be more of a dua than a fatwa. Asking God rather than commanding people.
Technically I do not know whose voice that is either, anyone can match a video with another audio, but I admit that the Arabic seems to match the printed words
In regards to your broad usage of the term Salafi - please stop. People don’t know what you’re talking about even if you do. “Salafi jihadism” or “Salafi jihadists” would work much better I think
Many, many Sunni Muslims would like to see a change in leadership in Saudi Arabia. If the US did stop supporting it would make that more likely, tho I don’t know what would replace it and if it would be an improvement.
Side note - I don’t know your circles but if your knowledge of Islam comes primarily from Shia Sufis in Iran, then remember that is a minority of a minority. I would not expect an accurate view of the majority… or “doctrinal Islam”. No disrespect intended. I like reading old dead famous Sufis fwiw, including some Shia ones
Peace
I’m curious on your opinion as to why the schisms within Islam seem to run so deep (particularly with so much variation from quietist to ISIS) compared to other religions. I’ve heard loppar talk about his take as well as some others. Obviously we know a lot of the historical influences, but would be interested in your take.
If the jooz are willing to spend money to influence a world power… Why don’t other, larger groups spend more money? It’s not a secret that money is power.
JOOZ are responsible for all evil. Haven’t you heard what a small percentage of the US population they are?
You must not have read enough JOOZ evil books. I know a guy who has recommendations.
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The first thing that comes to mind is breadth
So much of the early Muslims stuff is recorded, there is just too much to learn, reflect on, contextualize - even the Sahaba had plenty of room for big disagreements. So people work with what information they have and/or work to have what they want (cherry pick religious teachings to suit their tastes/styles). And it’s hard to NOT do that even if you want to try
The Quran is short compared to the Bible but many people memorize it with perfect pronunciation - every syllable literally perfect - and they don’t even know what they are reading (zero Arabic vocab)
I don’t know how much of the Muslim world is illiterate but that’s still an issue
And it’s a really really hard religion if someone doesn’t really believe - you put that together with fear of repurcussions of being seen as a hypocrite or kafir … being unaware of Islamic teachings and distant from people that are might seem safer. Asking the right questions to the wrong people can be dangerous.
There’s Hadith that deal with everything, no human alive could do it all except maybe Jesus peace be upon him, heh (no disrespect intended)
So then there’s a tendency to let the big stuff go as long as the outward shell of a man doesn’t stand out too much.
Sometimes when I pray at the masjid I get bothered because I can in my mind’s eye feel human eyes on me so to speak. Then I try to remember that it’s in my head and even if it isn’t only in my head, human eyes only see skin deep while God’s sight cuts all the way through.
I used to avoid the masjid though to avoid hypocrisy (my own, and others’)
A common saying you may have heard
“He whom God guides, none can misguide. He whom Allah misguides, none can guide”
I eventually mutilated that into “if God guides me, then not even myself can misguide me. Let’s spend some energy to test this if/then statement, while enjoying life, and if it works out well enough then maybe put some more into the God box later”, rough paraphrase, but something like that
I think similar stuff is pretty normal for humans, but I think I deep down understood that I was doing it wrong because I didn’t know how to do it right. An imperfect being cannot test or understand a perfect one. I’ve dropped the if and just go with what seems best now, life’s too short to be as pretty as I used to be
I think the simple answer would be that God’s plan is for people to eventually see that we are not even capable of taking it all seriously enough - which entails people not taking it seriously enough
My thoughts, thanks for asking. This was probably better for me than talking to a therapist, which I probably need, heh
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You liberals should really get your story straight.
Trump can’t both be antisemitic AND such so philosemitic he is a pawn of da Jooooos. Pick one and go with it.
Also, for the record, I like it when you guys call my country “The Little Satan”.
Has a nice ring to it. Sounds like a country song, especially in Farsi.
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Logic. It’s not a dirty word.
better add: no, I don’t like Trump
Do you seriously believe that @TheCB and @chris_ottawa are liberals?
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You can dislike folks and still be a schill for them. Especially if your morals are shit.
And I think trump having shitty morals is something everybody can agree on haha.
I doubt it. Trump has been called out for making antisemetic remarks, and also being too friendly with the state of Israel.
Trump has done nothing since becoming President but support Jewish/Israeli interests at every turn.
As for “pawn of da Joooos”:
Adelson, Marcus and Singer are amongst Trump’s main donors, along with a long list of other Jews, who comprise an extremely small number of US citizens.
Just look at the Southern border and compare it with the US interest in Israel and the ME.
Southern border literally almost nothing is done to stop the drugs trade or immigration, which leads to despair, ruination and death for millions of US citizens.
US response to tens of millions of illegal aliens living in the country, and an unlimited supply of illegal drugs entering the borders? In effect: nothing.
Israel interests in the ME: thousands of US soldiers sent to die, trillions of taxpayer dollars spent, and never ending war.
How else should a US citizen view this than Trump/the US Gov LITERALLY are pawns of Jews/others?
I’d be interested in an alternative view, hopefully without large amounts of personal abuse.
The religious wars in Germany were incredibly bloody. The better question is why Christians have moved on from killing each other over biblical interpretations while Muslims have not.
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8 million killed, over 20% of Germans (living in German statelets) perished . Ironically, much of them by put to the sword by bloodthirsty Swedes.
I mean, only 30 years ago 20k people died in the first of the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s between Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, with both side relying heavily on religious imagery of their respective denominations.
Also…cough cough Northern Ireland cough cough
You think they don’t? Look how much influence China and Saudi Arabia have, and both are mixed up with Israel in various ways.
Some “alt-right” people have a hard time figuring that one out too, talking about how the impeachment is Trump vs. the Jews while he’s more pro-Israel than any other president.
This is hilarious. We just need the Ayatollah in a cowboy hat and it’ll make millions.
Only if the right wing is ultra-nationalist Israeli settlers.
Even more so if they have you on video fucking little girls
Well, a large number of congressmen and senators are Israeli citizens so you could argue that they aren’t pawns, they are representing their own interests. Taxpayers are just sheep to be fleeced.
Most stopped going to church in western countries.
A fair point, no doubt dismissed as a ‘canard’ or ‘trope’ by many.
You really cannot get clearer evidence of the occupation of the US Government and establishment by comparing its response to Mexico and Iran.
Mexico - a country sharing a border with the US:
- lets 10s of millions of its nationals and other nationals illegally breach US security to live in the country, large numbers of whom commit various forms of crimes against US nationals, including rape and murder.
- lets unlimited supplies of narcotics enter the US, including huge amounts of Chinese narcotics.
-both of the above a constant problem for the last 40+ years.
US response: laughable border control. Nothing done to stop either problem.
Iran - a country a million miles away from the US:
- has zero influence over any aspect of a typical US citizen’s life.
- usual religious nonsense with neighbours spanning centuries which is none of the US’s business.
US response: regardless of who is in charge, Rep or Dem, the US Gov and establishment are obsessed with the country, itching to invade for decades.
Aside from being a pawn of “da Joooos” and others, there is absolutely zero logical explanation for the above, including any convoluted discussion involving drugs or oil.
The situation to our our south is absolutely egregious. Weak minded American pukes love their drugs. Drug users and dealers should be shot out of a howitzer into a fucking active volcano