I don’t know, but I am starting to wonder. Might Trump and the Iranians have conspired for this whole thing, so both get something? Maybe Putin was an intermediary?
It isn’t that I can put my finger on it, but this was a lot of crucible news coverage for not so much. It reminds me of the Stanley Kubrik film ‘Eyes Wide Shut’.
If everyone deescalates from this, that was a damn fine trade for the USA imo. We took out a bad dude that was a reverred govt official in Iran, and all Iran did was take out a few Iraqi hangars while intentionally missing US troops.
I’ll take that trade every damn day and twice on Sunday.
Yet I have a nagging feeling this isn’t the end. And there will be ripple effects from this week, even if there is military de-escalation.
Funny, when it happened to an Iranian passenger plane shot down by Americans, Iran said nothing like that could ever happen as an accident and hated us for taking innocent Iranian lives. So if the Iranians did accidentally shoot it down, they now know first hand that accidents DO happen in the fog of war.
If the US did this in Iran it would make us no different than ISIS who did this in Syria.
It could be an election campaign ploy by Trump & a unifying ploy by the Iran, who’s people were on the verge of a revolt.
I was thinking from CNN’s coverage of the whole thing that the Earth was about to end. Same with the impeachment coverage.
Wait, impeachment is coming up, will US public opinion improve the reelection prospects of Senators who are on the fence as to take Trump out of power?
A large number of Canadians were onboard the airliner:
We had the other day maybe I think 500 people in Iraq, mostly Special Forces doing training of Kurds and the like. What should Canada do if it is related?
Holy shit! You’re literally siding with a regime who openly sponsors terrorism and actually questioning whether or not Trump is lying about casualties. We killed a high ranking terrorist with virtually no repercussions and you think Iran came out on top? Your TDS is at maximum engagement.
Exactly, Trump is basically a terrorist.
About the plane crash, probably nothing. Canada isn’t at war with Iran, neither is Ukraine, so at worst it was accidentally shot down. It could just be an unfortunate coincidence, or even worse an act of sabotage designed to cause tensions between Iran and the other countries involved. I’m not jumping to any conclusions, but unless it is proven to have been shot down then nothing will happen other than it being seen as a tragedy.
Trump obviously is lying. Look at the satellite pictures in the article, is that minimal damage? It only shows a few spots that were hit out of over 20. There are also videos on Twitter , etc., showing the inside of the base. Trump would look like a complete fool even to people like you if he admitted what really happened, letting this attack slide because now Iran threatens to attack Israel and Dubai. They just won’t report this in the news here because it looks bad on the US. Go bury your head in the sand if it makes you feel better.
Which terrorists does Iran sponsor? Israeli allies call Hezbollah a terrorist group, but what they do is no worse than what the US and Israel do on a regular basis. Soleimani was in Iraq to meet with the PM regarding mediation between the US and Iran the same day he was killed, if that’s not an act of terrorism by the US government then nothing is. And if you believe Mike Pence that Soleimani helped the 9/11 hijackers then you are missing a more than a few brain cells.
The problem is that a large proportion on Americans think their military can just go
around killing with impunity and committing all sorts of atrocities but when it happens to you, you cry like a baby. What happened on 9/11 is nothing compared to what was done to Iraq and Afghanistan, and you guys are still crying about it 19 years later. And still haven’t defeated the Taliban either, no matter what fancy weapons you have.
America needs to stop fucking around with other countries, pretty much all the problems the US has are a result of their government’s actions. If you don’t want problems then don’t cause them in the first place.
Iran certainly looks better than the Trump administration. Trump was acting all big and bad and now after the attack “all is well”.
As for Soleimain being a terrorist, he was actually featured on CNN a couple years ago as one of the main players in the fight against ISIS. I saw the clip yesterday. Also, that Shiite militia that the US attacked before the embassy incident was in the middle of a battle with ISIS. So ISIS is now a US ally or what? Either that or the US military is just too bloodthirsty to think straight and kill without reason.
And you know what, I don’t support the Iranian government at all. It’s not a good country, I wouldn’t want to live there. It’s just that as bad as it is, American foreign policy is much worse, and more unreasonable. You can’t expect the whole world to let you walk over them.
What does this mean to you?
Do you have any ideas/opinions/information about Salafis that are not radical Islamists?
Do you have any ideas/opinions/information about radical Islamists that are not Salafis?
…Asking for a friend…
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What, exactly, did Pence say? Oh this:
"Assisted in the clandestine travel to Afghanistan of 10 of the 12 terrorists who carried out the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States.
— Mike Pence (@Mike_Pence) (January 3, 2020)"
What did the 9/11 commission conclude? Oh, this:
" *Intelligence indicates the persistence of contacts between Iranian security officials and senior al Qaeda figures after Bin Laden’s **return to Afghanistan……Khaled and other detainees have described the willingness of Iranian officials to facilitate the travel of al Qaeda members through Iran, on their way to and from Afghanistan. For example, Iranian border inspectors would be told not to place tell-tale stamps in the passports of these travellers. Such arrangements were particularly beneficial to Saudi members of al Qaeda. Our knowledge of the international travels of the al Qaeda operatives selected for the 9/11 operation remains fragmentary. But we now have evidence suggesting that 8 to 10 of the 14 Saudi “muscle” operatives travelled into or out of Iran between October 2000 and February 2001……In sum, there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers."
https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report.pdf (pages 240-41)
There is only one person who is “brain dead” on this thread, and it’s the idiot:
(1) who believes responding forcibily to the attempted violent take over of an American Embassy (ala Tehran in 1979 and Benghazi) is “basically terrorism” and
(2) that 80 US servicemen can be killed and their deaths covered up.
read the post you are quoting a few more times
it is one thing to under report the number of casualties, it is very different to report zero
Where’s Jimmy?
Pure lies. And if you believe that then you are seriously confused. Iran and Saudi Arabia are currently in a proxy war in Yemen, Shiites and Sunnis hate each other. So much that ISIS is more concerned with fighting Shiites than US or Israeli targets. The concept of Iran and Saudi Arabia working together for 9/11 is something that belongs in a spy novel.
Maybe it wasn’t 80, only the US can confirm the numbers, but looking at the photos of the damage that Iran released it certainly isn’t minimal as Trump claims and it would be incredible if nobody got hurt. So I’m calling bullshit until proven otherwise. There were news reports showing broken missiles in the desert and saying that they failed to explode, came nowhere close to any buildings or soldiers, and whatever, but the satellite pictures show otherwise.
You can call me names all you want, since that is all you are capable of, but you still haven’t proven shit.
It’s also very different to report 80, and it is very different to report minimal damage when satellite photos show otherwise. You guys trust the government too much, learn to think for yourself.
Anyway, all this bickering over what really happened is a waste of time. Wait for something else to happen rather than lamenting on the same old story. Supposedly rockets were fired at the Baghdad green zone, but they can’t even blame Iran right now because the whole of Iraq wants the US out. If I was a Trump supporter I would applaud their actions, they are holding him to his campaign promises to get the US out of foreign war zones.
If you look at his latest tweets he is going on about how Iran didn’t hit anything with their missiles and so on. You would expect a propagandist to at least report the same stories that the government is claiming, no? All I know is he works for NBC, were they recently purchased by Iran?
I like your thinking style, I appreciate much of what you’ve said
You are missing something tho
Read that post again a few times, I’m telling ya man. It’s a small mistake you’ve made in a big thread and discontinuing on it is a good idea
But learn from it
OK, so now the 9/11 Commission report is a “spy novel”, so you’re current claims are:
(1) who believes responding forcibily to the attempted violent take over of an American Embassy (ala Tehran in 1979 and Benghazi) is “basically terrorism” and
(2) that 80 US servicemen can be killed and their deaths covered up.
(3) The 9/11 Report was a “spy novel” (paraphrasing) because the Shia Iranians and the non-government Sunni radicals in Saudi (and elsewhere) don’t get along.
I’m not sure where the whole “Shia and Sunni don’t cooperate” myth got started; I suppose it’s because they hate each other. But they hate non-moslems far more. And the “enemy of your enemy is your friend.” Regardless, while they certainly fight plenty, they also cooperate:
I have it on good authority that all government reports are actually deep state witch hunts designed to harm Trump. Why would the 9/11 Commission report be any different? It doesn’t even mention how much he helped at ground zero.
Don’t believe the liberal deep state mainstream media report here. This 9/11 report is all about trying to overturn the 2016 election.
That kind of argument only works on Trump supporters, which you know well I am not.
I merely not an irrational Trump-hater.