Iran Elections

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
My concern with Iran is their potential forced exportation of their way of life.

So…you’re willing to gloss over thousands of petro-dollar Wahabi mosques built around the world, and get more concerned about the “potential” of Iran.
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Can’t you make a post without bashing the US, the West and the US allies?[/quote]

I’ll answer that. No he cannot. He suffers from the hate that the radical movement in islam has so successfully infected so many people with. Right now, his hate is ideological, perhaps one day, he may even take action. His unfettered support for mass murders and extremists has led me to believe he is extremist in every way. He only feigns moderation to garner an ear for his extremist views. There is not a moderate bone in his body.

[quote]lixy wrote:
A country surrounded by US military bases on just about every front is a threat to you?
They have been that threat and that in my book is what makes them our problem.
And I suppose Nicaragua was a threat in the Reagan era too?
You’re many many many many many times more a threat to them than they are to you.
[/quote]

And this is where you are wrong. Iran needs us as a boogey man to keep the oppression of their people going and to bolster their government. The Iranian Revolution was in 1979, we invaded Iraq about 25 years later. Which military bases are you talking about?

There were no bases near Iran when they took our embassy workers hostage, there was a marine base in Lebanon put there to stop a civil war and Israeli invasion, which the Iranians bombed.

Throught their terrorist proxies, they caused more bloodshed in Lebanon than any US base in the ME prior to the ones in Saudi Arabia set up for the first Gulf War to free Kuwait.

And how exactly was Iran involved in this war? We took out their enemy. Maybe the Iranian government could possibly understand this…but then they won’t be able to stay in power without their “Great Satan” foil.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
But I’m afraid her fate will put off more people than it will inspire.

Then why did you post a thread about a female protester killed by Israelis?

Isn’t that the same thing? Or is it only a crime and an inspiration when the oppressors are Jews?

They are calling the woman the Joan of Arc of Iran, so I’m afraid you are wrong once again.[/quote]

Well lets see, Jews are pigs in his view, right? A non-muslim girl who picked up a fight on behave of the palestinians is slightly above Jews so her sacrifice was relevant. Now this Neda chick, she was brave, but she was standing up against muslim extremism, in who’s view that woman are a little above dog shit. Now a woman who stands up for herself is unacceptable, so her death is a put off to extremists. But to normal people, she is a hero. She sacrified her life for what she believed was right.

[quote]lixy wrote:
<<< If you weren’t so ego-centered, you might actually have understood the argument. >>>[/quote]

Come on man. How could I be a good American without being so egocentric? Let’s get with it huh?

As for us exporting our way of life by force? We have thwarted the forceful spread of competing oppressive ideologies and even if we weren’t. We can do it and you can’t.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
My concern with Iran is their potential forced exportation of their way of life.

So…you’re willing to gloss over thousands of petro-dollar Wahabi mosques built around the world, and get more concerned about the “potential” of Iran.
.

Can’t you make a post without bashing the US, the West and the US allies?[/quote]

He can’t and never has. Easier to simply ignore him.

[quote]hedo wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
My concern with Iran is their potential forced exportation of their way of life.

So…you’re willing to gloss over thousands of petro-dollar Wahabi mosques built around the world, and get more concerned about the “potential” of Iran.
.

Can’t you make a post without bashing the US, the West and the US allies?

He can’t and never has. Easier to simply ignore him.
[/quote]

Sure, because the idea that Saudi Arabia that is a complete and ugly dictatorship, raised the overwhelming majority of the 9-11 gang and finances the most radical mosques in the Muslim world is somehow less of a “threat” than a country that at least has somewhat fair and impartial institutions and has not waged a war of aggression since Dareios the whatever is, like totally, plausible.

This needs no discussion whatsoever, like the assumption that everything that is perceived as a threat by the most emasculated and pussified generation of Americans this world has seen so far, needs some solid bombing.

A spoiled, weak, semi literate demos, corrupt politicians and a president that answers to no one.

Yeah, that is what the world yearns for, please, export THAT at gunpoint.

[quote]orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
My concern with Iran is their potential forced exportation of their way of life.

So…you’re willing to gloss over thousands of petro-dollar Wahabi mosques built around the world, and get more concerned about the “potential” of Iran.
.

Can’t you make a post without bashing the US, the West and the US allies?

He can’t and never has. Easier to simply ignore him.

Sure, because the idea that Saudi Arabia that is a complete and ugly dictatorship, raised the overwhelming majority of the 9-11 gang and finances the most radical mosques in the Muslim world is somehow less of a “threat” than a country that at least has somewhat fair and impartial institutions and has not waged a war of aggression since Dareios the whatever is, like totally, plausible.

This needs no discussion whatsoever, like the assumption that everything that is perceived as a threat by the most emasculated and pussified generation of Americans this world has seen so far, needs some solid bombing.

A spoiled, weak, semi literate demos, corrupt politicians and a president that answers to no one.

Yeah, that is what the world yearns for, please, export THAT at gunpoint.

[/quote]

Anybody here think Saudi Arabia is a good place with a good government? Just raise your hand if you support the saudi regime…

[quote]pat wrote:
orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
My concern with Iran is their potential forced exportation of their way of life.

So…you’re willing to gloss over thousands of petro-dollar Wahabi mosques built around the world, and get more concerned about the “potential” of Iran.
.

Can’t you make a post without bashing the US, the West and the US allies?

He can’t and never has. Easier to simply ignore him.

Sure, because the idea that Saudi Arabia that is a complete and ugly dictatorship, raised the overwhelming majority of the 9-11 gang and finances the most radical mosques in the Muslim world is somehow less of a “threat” than a country that at least has somewhat fair and impartial institutions and has not waged a war of aggression since Dareios the whatever is, like totally, plausible.

This needs no discussion whatsoever, like the assumption that everything that is perceived as a threat by the most emasculated and pussified generation of Americans this world has seen so far, needs some solid bombing.

A spoiled, weak, semi literate demos, corrupt politicians and a president that answers to no one.

Yeah, that is what the world yearns for, please, export THAT at gunpoint.

Anybody here think Saudi Arabia is a good place with a good government? Just raise your hand if you support the saudi regime…[/quote]

Hmmm…good point, but this is not about how good the place or the government are. That’s a highly subjective matter) and plenty of Saudis think it’s a good place, just as the French think France is a good place or you getting all mushy about the great US of A.

Anyway, read closer GKhan’s post and you’ll see that he seems to suggest the Saudi exporting their way of life is no big deal so long as they’re Washington’s allies. That utter hypocrisy is why I hit the reply button upon reading the first sentence of Trib’s post. I quote: “My concern with Iran is their potential forced exportation of their way of life.”

This is the exact same bullshit my country has invoked to ban Shi’ite literature and crack down on places of worship that date back to the 12th century. All the while, welcoming Saudi money funding what led to a pile of bodies.

I, for one, am not brainwashed (enough) to believe “the potential” of Iran exporting whatever it is you think they’re exporting is more pressing an issue than the worldwide spread of Wahabism. Nor do I believe the Iranians, whom have been oppressed by Sunnis for 15 centuries and who have a global coalition posing a very real and palpable threat to their very existence, are hell-bent on world domination.

In short, discussing the level of oppression from the Iranian regime should be separated from the threat it poses to American citizens. One is a real issue, and my heart is with all those in the streets of Tehran trying to reclaim some freedom from the government. The other is pretty much a myth. So please, don’t pretend that you can’t understand the distinction. Particularly not when jackasses are calling for foreign military intervention - that was on the table, and regarded as a plausible scenario months ago.

[quote]orion wrote:

Sure, because the idea that Saudi Arabia that is a complete and ugly dictatorship, raised the overwhelming majority of the 9-11 gang and finances the most radical mosques in the Muslim world is somehow less of a “threat” than a country that at least has somewhat fair and impartial institutions and has not waged a war of aggression since Dareios the whatever is, like totally, plausible.

This needs no discussion whatsoever, like the assumption that everything that is perceived as a threat by the most emasculated and pussified generation of Americans this world has seen so far, needs some solid bombing.

A spoiled, weak, semi literate demos, corrupt politicians and a president that answers to no one.

Yeah, that is what the world yearns for, please, export THAT at gunpoint.

You want to talk about Saudi Arabia? Make a thread about it. This thread is about the events unfolding in Iran, or you so semi-literate you can’t see that.
[/quote]

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< Obama takes a harder line- >>>[/quote]

Feel better now?

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< Obama takes a harder line- >>>

Feel better now?

I do.

I think once he figured they were blaming us anyway it got to be like, “Ah what the fuck.”[/quote]

For the record, I would have had no problem had he come out on day one and forcefully supported the opposition and condemned the rulers over there. That is indeed what somebody like Reagan, or even GWB would have done. The difference is it would have meant something when they said it. That fact that it took him this long to get this far just demonstrates it isn’t really in his heart.

Forget about how much you can’t stand me for a minute. You’re not an idiot. You know that’s true. He has no conviction about this.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
<<< Obama takes a harder line- >>>

Feel better now?

I do.

I think once he figured they were blaming us anyway it got to be like, “Ah what the fuck.”[/quote]

I don’t. He should have condemned them only. Not say “Hey you are being naughty, but we’ll still play with you…”

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
orion wrote:

This needs no discussion whatsoever, like the assumption that everything that is perceived as a threat by the most emasculated and pussified generation of Americans this world has seen so far, needs some solid bombing.

AS I recall, that’s exactly what your Austrian forebears thought about the American “Greatest Generation”… you know, that generation that kicked your asses.[/quote]

Look, your “greatest generation” came to Europe after we had been to war for years and barely beat us with 10 times the materiel.

I am glad that they did, but that is hardly a testament to their masculinity.

Eisenhower simply built a tower of planes and tanks in England and then pushed it over to bury a depleted Germany under it.

[quote]pat wrote:
orion wrote:
hedo wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
My concern with Iran is their potential forced exportation of their way of life.

So…you’re willing to gloss over thousands of petro-dollar Wahabi mosques built around the world, and get more concerned about the “potential” of Iran.
.

Can’t you make a post without bashing the US, the West and the US allies?

He can’t and never has. Easier to simply ignore him.

Sure, because the idea that Saudi Arabia that is a complete and ugly dictatorship, raised the overwhelming majority of the 9-11 gang and finances the most radical mosques in the Muslim world is somehow less of a “threat” than a country that at least has somewhat fair and impartial institutions and has not waged a war of aggression since Dareios the whatever is, like totally, plausible.

This needs no discussion whatsoever, like the assumption that everything that is perceived as a threat by the most emasculated and pussified generation of Americans this world has seen so far, needs some solid bombing.

A spoiled, weak, semi literate demos, corrupt politicians and a president that answers to no one.

Yeah, that is what the world yearns for, please, export THAT at gunpoint.

Anybody here think Saudi Arabia is a good place with a good government? Just raise your hand if you support the saudi regime…[/quote]

Well then get all hysterical over them for a change.

But you never do.

They can blow up your buildings and you don´t.

Why is that?

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
orion wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
orion wrote:

This needs no discussion whatsoever, like the assumption that everything that is perceived as a threat by the most emasculated and pussified generation of Americans this world has seen so far, needs some solid bombing.

AS I recall, that’s exactly what your Austrian forebears thought about the American “Greatest Generation”… you know, that generation that kicked your asses.

Look, your “greatest generation” came to Europe after we had been to war for years and barely beat us with 10 times the materiel.

I am glad that they did, but that is hardly a testament to their masculinity.

Eisenhower simply built a tower of planes and tanks in England and then pushed it over to bury a depleted Germany under it.

Nah not quite. We fought two wars on two fronts across the world, and, uhh… yea, we kicked your asses. Not “barely” either- pretty fucking convincingly, especially for getting only half of our resources directed towards you as well.

Imagine if all those troops that fought and died in the Pacific were there also. Christ.

USA-2
Austrians- 0

Game’s over.[/quote]

Yup.

Find me three credible military historians that agree that the US of 1943-1944 would have beat a 1938-1939 Wehrmacht and you win.

You know what?

Get Hedo to agree on that and you win.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

Obama Assails Iran for Violent Response to Protests

[/quote]

It’s all about the details. For the violence, not the election.

[quote]orion wrote:
Well then get all hysterical over them for a change.

But you never do.

They can blow up your buildings and you don�´t.

Why is that?

[/quote]

ah, we do. Most of us here hate al-qaeda and the Taliban. Or did that go over your head?

But like I said, you want to talk Saudi Arabia, make a thread about it.

This one’s about Iran.

[quote]orion wrote:
orion wrote:
Find me three credible military historians that agree that the US of 1943-1944 would have beat a 1938-1939 Wehrmacht and you win.

You know what?

Get Hedo to agree on that and you win.

[/quote]

Like Irish said, we did most of our fighting in the Pacific. And kicked their ass as well.

Damn, talk about sour grapes.

[quote]orion wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
orion wrote:

This needs no discussion whatsoever, like the assumption that everything that is perceived as a threat by the most emasculated and pussified generation of Americans this world has seen so far, needs some solid bombing.

AS I recall, that’s exactly what your Austrian forebears thought about the American “Greatest Generation”… you know, that generation that kicked your asses.

Look, your “greatest generation” came to Europe after we had been to war for years and barely beat us with 10 times the materiel.

I am glad that they did, but that is hardly a testament to their masculinity.

Eisenhower simply built a tower of planes and tanks in England and then pushed it over to bury a depleted Germany under it.

[/quote]

This forum is usually pretty entertaining, but your statements might be the funniest thing I have ever read on here.

Congrats, you just out-retarded lixy.

You must be so proud.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:
Well then get all hysterical over them for a change.

But you never do.

They can blow up your buildings and you don�?�´t.

Why is that?

ah, we do. Most of us here hate al-qaeda and the Taliban. Or did that go over your head?

But like I said, you want to talk Saudi Arabia, make a thread about it.

This one’s about Iran.[/quote]

Well I was talking about the Saudi financed, Saudi planned and Saudi executed killing of 3000 people that led to an attack on Iraq, that had nothing to do with it and the Taliban that also had nothing to do with it, except for hosting the master mind. They even would have given him to you had you provided some evidence of his guilt.

But somehow Saudi Arabia is never an issue, whereas the whole world must suffer if 3000 Americans die.

Why is that?

Because your media and politicians do not constantly feed you soundbites, that is why.

Maybe you should go on a strict diet of European media for a month to notice the complete absence of hysterical fear mongering.