RSGZ - have you downloaded the win8 beta? If so, what do you think?
I am tempted to on my pc, especially since my wife got a new laptop if I get too lost in the changes.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
RSGZ - have you downloaded the win8 beta? If so, what do you think?
I am tempted to on my pc, especially since my wife got a new laptop if I get too lost in the changes.[/quote]
I have.
Initially I tried the Dev preview and removed it within 10 minutes because I thought it sucked.
In the consumer preview, it takes a bit of getting used to but the start screen is growing on me. Since they completely removed the start menu, you don’t really have a choice anymore.
But, it is actually nice to use. If you like the Metro styling, then the start screen is that much more enjoyable. Their cooking apps, for example, are just beautiful. IE10 is very, very quick. The basic apps all look and work well too (email, calendar). What’s even better, is that if you use Hotmail, you sign-on with that account and it setups your mail, calendar, contacts and everything else automatically.
Start screen aside, I’ll definitely be upgrading when it drops later this year.
It is lightning fast compared to Win7; it installed from boot to on desktop in less than 10 minutes, and even after installing my usual programs, boot-up literally takes 7 seconds from powering on.
The improved desktop features are good (copying files is stacked, you can pause it now, etc) and SkyDrive integration is going to be a big feature.
I’d give it a shot, but you may find that it would be ‘safer’ to install it in a Virtual Machine instead - so that you don’t have to reload the laptop again if you choose to remove the beta.
The biggest change people will have to get used to is the start screen - but I don’t think it’s as bad as many make it out to be. Perhaps that’s the fanboy in me, though.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
Perhaps that’s the fanboy in me, though.[/quote]
Indeed 
RSGZ - are you using it on a laptop or a tablet? From outward appearance it seems like something made more for a tablet than a traditional PC but that could be my perception.
james
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
What FF described is exactly why I hate macs and iphones. My Android will run with any computer and doesn’t need to be synched. Why would you need to synch your phone to your computer anyway???
Anyway, is there a specific reason why you need to update? Hell, if it’s suiting your needs right now then what’s the issue? Am I missing something?
james[/quote]
Its more the principle of the fact, this should not be an issue tho. I should be able to plug my MAC phone into my MAC computer, and have no issues, or at least youd think.
But its not just syncing the phone, if im able to plug it in I can backup everything on my phone, put pics on my computer, cant do any of that now. Which im not a huge picture guy, but still. So now if anything happens to my phone, thats it for the data, pics, vids, its not stored anywhere else.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]fighting_fires wrote:
Cant find download folder- where would that be?
Also since im openly stupid about computers, how do you even uninstall stuff from a mac? Do you just move it to the trash? On a PC it says uninstall, I cant find that option on this…[/quote]
I believe you simply need to drag files to the trash bin to uninstall programs on a Mac.
It sounds like you don’t really need to upgrade, other than to keep functionality of your phone. The only reason I can think of why you wouldn’t be able to upgrade to 10.6 is if it needs a 64bit processor and you have a 32bit.
Yes, you could use another computer. 99.9% sure a Windows PC will support the latest version of iTunes and give you all the updates you need.[/quote}
Right?! I really dont need to upgrade since I wouldt even be able to use all of the features a new computer would offer me.
Thanks for the info!
FF - That’s interesting about data, pics, etc. All my stuff is stored by google so I can go from phone to phone without any loss of data. Do you really need the latest version of the software to do what you’re asking? That seems odd to me but I know nothing about macs.
You can get a PC really cheaply if you do decide to go that direction.
james
This Apple hardware “problem” is being blown out of proportion.
His computer is 5 years old and only has 512mb of RAM.
My macbook pro is 4 years old and runs everything fine. The only hardware upgrade I did was add RAM 3 years into owning it which I spent a grand total of $90. I can run everything fine.
This is 2 years before you’re SOL is complete bullshit. Why should Apple be required to make their application software compatible with an OS version that is 7 years old?
The question is why shouldn’t they? Windows XP is over 10 years old but everything still runs on it.
james
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
RSGZ - are you using it on a laptop or a tablet? From outward appearance it seems like something made more for a tablet than a traditional PC but that could be my perception.
james[/quote]
That’s definitely the general perception, and at first it does feel ‘clumsy’ to use - I’ve heard it’s great on a tablet. I’m using it on a laptop, but if you have gestures on your touchpad it can do some nice things.
I guess you have to use it to get the full experience. I have no doubt many people will hate it though.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
This Apple hardware “problem” is being blown out of proportion.
His computer is 5 years old and only has 512mb of RAM.
My macbook pro is 4 years old and runs everything fine. The only hardware upgrade I did was add RAM 3 years into owning it which I spent a grand total of $90. I can run everything fine.
This is 2 years before you’re SOL is complete bullshit. Why should Apple be required to make their application software compatible with an OS version that is 7 years old?
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I’m not trying to make it a problem, it does seem as though the Apple support are talking crap since he should be able to upgrade it to SL at the very least.
My 2 years comment in regards to their phone hardware, and so far it’s true as far as I’m concerned. My iPhone 3G became unusable as soon as iOS4 got updated to it - they shouldn’t of bothered.
I’ve just upgraded to a Samsung Galaxy S2. It was between that or an Iphone 4s for potentially 8GBP p/month more with less data/minutes. I opted to not bow down to Apple as tempting as it was.
Anyone got any advice/must haves for this phone? I spent a fair bit of time looking into it and in terms of what is out right now it seems pretty darn good value for money for the specs. Will they release the newer version of Android as an upgrade for this one or will I be stuck with 2.3?
Quite the upgrade from my broken blackberry curve anyway…
[quote]therajraj wrote:
This Apple hardware “problem” is being blown out of proportion.
His computer is 5 years old and only has 512mb of RAM.
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Well. My seven year old computer had 2 gigs of RAM and this is kind of where the Apple hardware problem lies. High end comfigurations cost a fortune. They build very nice laptops, but they’re so expensive that you just can’t afford to upgrade as often as with PCs or put so fast components in them that you don’t need to upgrade for a while.
Good question about if you’ll be stuck with 2.3 or not. I don’t know much about Samsung phones or if that particular phone is due an update or not. I’ve got an Evo and I’m sure it’s not getting an official update. Here’s what I found on potential ICS for your phone:
http://popherald.com/android-software-update-samsung-galaxy-s2-ics-16254/
But, I’m still running ICS thanks to the developers over at XDA. Have you checked out that site at all? If you google “galaxy s2” and “roms” then I’m sure you’ll come up with a lot of options.
james
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
Good question about if you’ll be stuck with 2.3 or not. I don’t know much about Samsung phones or if that particular phone is due an update or not. I’ve got an Evo and I’m sure it’s not getting an official update. Here’s what I found on potential ICS for your phone:
http://popherald.com/android-software-update-samsung-galaxy-s2-ics-16254/
But, I’m still running ICS thanks to the developers over at XDA. Have you checked out that site at all? If you google “galaxy s2” and “roms” then I’m sure you’ll come up with a lot of options.
james[/quote]
thanks for this. the link looks promising for me and the rom thing seems like another solution if one is needed. cool stuff
This is what fragmentation looks like.
As much as I like ICS on my $100 HP Touchpad, I wouldn’t consider Android for a phone if they don’t fix this.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
This Apple hardware “problem” is being blown out of proportion.
His computer is 5 years old and only has 512mb of RAM.
My macbook pro is 4 years old and runs everything fine. The only hardware upgrade I did was add RAM 3 years into owning it which I spent a grand total of $90. I can run everything fine.
This is 2 years before you’re SOL is complete bullshit. Why should Apple be required to make their application software compatible with an OS version that is 7 years old?
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I’m not trying to make it a problem, it does seem as though the Apple support are talking crap since he should be able to upgrade it to SL at the very least.
My 2 years comment in regards to their phone hardware, and so far it’s true as far as I’m concerned. My iPhone 3G became unusable as soon as iOS4 got updated to it - they shouldn’t of bothered.[/quote]
I actually just got my first smart phone iPhone 4s 2 days ago so I can’t comment on iOS4 stuff since I haven’t been following it.
However, he CAN upgrade to Snow Leopard.
[quote]kakno wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
This Apple hardware “problem” is being blown out of proportion.
His computer is 5 years old and only has 512mb of RAM.
[/quote]
Well. My seven year old computer had 2 gigs of RAM and this is kind of where the Apple hardware problem lies. High end comfigurations cost a fortune. They build very nice laptops, but they’re so expensive that you just can’t afford to upgrade as often as with PCs or put so fast components in them that you don’t need to upgrade for a while.
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No it doesn’t. He bought a low end machine 5 years ago.
My high end Powerbook G4 that I bought in 2004 had the same amount RAM his computer in 2007 has. In fact, the model he owns was released in late 2006:
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP23?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
You buy Apple for 2 reasons: 1) The OS. Windows Vista and before was absolute shit. I haven’t used 7 but apparently it’s really good according to RSGZ
- For the longest time no one in the PC World made a laptop anywhere near the level of Hardware design as Apple. That held true in 2006-2007.
The machine retailed brand new in 2006 for $1099
By May 2007 it was selling for $625 brand new
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
This is what fragmentation looks like.
As much as I like ICS on my $100 HP Touchpad, I wouldn’t consider Android for a phone if they don’t fix this.[/quote]
But that’s not really a problem for anyone. It’s not like stuff in the market doesn’t work on the older versions or that the older versions are so out of date as to be useless.
I also think that the distribution of versions speak to the pretty recent popularity of Android phones more than anything. I bought my first Android phone when 2.2 was released. The last real update was to 2.3 and I think that’s when the popularity of the phones really started to take off. As people get new phones then we will see this chart migrate with the newer versions getting a bigger piece of the pie and versions like 2.3.3 becoming smaller and smaller.
The real problem with fragmentation isn’t with the AOSP itself but with all of the individual makers creating their own software to sit on top. HTC has Sense. Motorola has Blur. Samsung has Touchwiz. It’s in those various interfaces where the real variating in user experience happen.
james
[quote]therajraj wrote:
You buy Apple for 2 reasons: 1) The OS. Windows Vista and before was absolute shit. I haven’t used 7 but apparently it’s really good according to RSGZ
- For the longest time no one in the PC World made a laptop anywhere near the level of Hardware design as Apple. That held true in 2006-2007.
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Don’t forget style. And if you think that nobody buys an iPhone or Mavbook for style then we should talk.
And yes, I’m also a fan of Apple products and think that they have done a great job of pushing the user experience to the forefront of technology.
james