A FRIEND IS GOING INTO THE NYPD AND HE IS SUPER PARANOID ABOUT BEING TESTED. SO HE GAVE ME EVERYTHING HE HAD FOR FREE. Anyway, he gave me 10 amps on sus-a-non 375 which for some reason is 250 mgs. Two bottles of test enentate QV with about 5cc’s in each and 7 vials of real American made deca with the real prescription label on and packaging. It is from CVS.
I did some research and found that the ip sust is usually cyp and prop or prop and test undeconate(still at decent doses). I took one last night and figure I will take two a week followed by two cc’s of the enentate a week. I also found some positive shit about qv stuff. Also the guys who gave me the shit swears he loved it.
I had been taking 75mg of fina a day and was growing like a weed so with a bit of test thrown in I expect a bit of a boost. What do you think? I am also taking .25 of arimidex a day. I get gyno from fina an arimidex stops it. I know it is not supposed to but obviously arimidex works in ways yet to be understood.
My biggest question was with the deca. I figured I would end with that. After I run out of fina in about 7 weeks I will start the deca every 6 days or so. I am not really worried about pct shit because I do not plan to be off very long. The last contest I did was the NPC Usa in the late 90’s. I placed top 3 and should have been 2cnd. I am starting to get the itch back and before I get too old(I am 33) I would love to get back up there again.
I know it will be a long road, I am only about 185 at 5’5’’ right now. However, when I started I had just been shot(don’t ask, the bullet was not meant for me) so I was like barely 150 when I started training again. I had been off all anabolics for a good 8 years but I was so fucking small, weak and depressed when I finally got back to the gym I had to do something. I know it is my ego but you have these little quido kids with their gotti gel hair walking around like they are something big when I used to have more muscle in my right calf then they do in their whole body.
It has been 6 weeks now and I am just starting to feel like I belong back in the gym again. When I competed I would push 215lbs in the offseason. My other idea was to Possibly just come in as a big lightweight. Well I guess I will have to see how the next year of training comes, then I can make a choice.
Any input on the supplements would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, P.
So that sus is at least one short and one long ester and you only plan to inject twice per week? Your injecting tren ED anyways(i hope), why not incorporate the test into EOD or ED for that matter.
I personally havent heard all that good about QV before. It was acutally more quite the opposite either being rather dirty gear and/or heavily faked. However that was some years ago.
After doing a decent length cycle of tren I would likley come off first rather than make a switch to deca.
If you dont plan to come off long and aret going to use any of that “pct shit” then why bother coming off at all? May as well run some test all the way through.
[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
So that sus is at least one short and one long ester and you only plan to inject twice per week? Your injecting tren ED anyways(i hope), why not incorporate the test into EOD or ED for that matter.
I personally havent heard all that good about QV before. It was acutally more quite the opposite either being rather dirty gear and/or heavily faked. However that was some years ago.
After doing a decent length cycle of tren I would likley come off first rather than make a switch to deca.
If you dont plan to come off long and aret going to use any of that “pct shit” then why bother coming off at all? May as well run some test all the way through.[/quote]
I probably will not come off longer then a week maybe two. I see know need to at this point. All that will happen if I come off is I will regress and then have to catch back up. Makes little sense to me. Yes, I am using the fina every day(75mg)and I am not using the sust more often because I do not have enough(only 10).
If the test e is garbage then so be it I did not pay for it. At least I know the deca is right from a pharmacy. I am not condoning long cycles as I am doing but that is what worked best for me in the past, long cycles with two weeks off here and there with some hcg or noveldex for the two weeks. I know hcg is out of favor now so I will probably use noveldex for my short periods off. This is the only way I may get back to where I used to be. If all goes well I may be ready for the Jr. Nationals in 2010.
In the past I would take 3-4 months off after competing. I will probably do the same thing here.
I do stay on for long periods but my doses are always quite on the low side.
[quote]joeblow wrote:
LillGuy001 wrote:
So that sus is at least one short and one long ester and you only plan to inject twice per week? Your injecting tren ED anyways(i hope), why not incorporate the test into EOD or ED for that matter.
I personally havent heard all that good about QV before. It was acutally more quite the opposite either being rather dirty gear and/or heavily faked. However that was some years ago.
After doing a decent length cycle of tren I would likley come off first rather than make a switch to deca.
If you dont plan to come off long and aret going to use any of that “pct shit” then why bother coming off at all? May as well run some test all the way through.
I probably will not come off longer then a week maybe two. I see know need to at this point. All that will happen if I come off is I will regress and then have to catch back up. Makes little sense to me. Yes, I am using the fina every day(75mg)and I am not using the sust more often because I do not have enough(only 10).
If the test e is garbage then so be it I did not pay for it. At least I know the deca is right from a pharmacy. I am not condoning long cycles as I am doing but that is what worked best for me in the past, long cycles with two weeks off here and there with some hcg or noveldex for the two weeks. I know hcg is out of favor now so I will probably use noveldex for my short periods off. This is the only way I may get back to where I used to be. If all goes well I may be ready for the Jr. Nationals in 2010.
In the past I would take 3-4 months off after competing. I will probably do the same thing here.
I do stay on for long periods but my doses are always quite on the low side.
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I’ve had good and bad QV gear back in the day, and the bad gear I believe expired in 7/07 and it was stanazol. The QV deca 300 I had was good stuff though and it exp. 8/07. You will probably know if it’s fake before too long because it is probably also dirty and will be uncharacteristically painful.
As far as your above response to lillguy…get your hands on some additional test either way and run it through if you’re going to go straight to the deca - no matter how strong you are I think it goes without saying that your strongman euphoria will not last long when accompanied by decadick. Not to mention the fact that you’re coming off fina!
*edit - the QV stanz was 7/07 so the tainted gear starts at least as early as this, but for some reason the deca 300 was fine at 8/07.
[quote]sapasion wrote:
joeblow I’m very surprised a former npc level competitor is thinking of immediately following a tren run with a deca run[/quote]
I’d be surprised to find out if this guy really is who he says he is…
Reasons why:
1.) deca followed by tren for the lengths described
2.) sustanon twice a week
3.) that “pct shit” being unnecessary for this superhuman
4.) just look at any of his other posts…I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a troll
[quote]World1187 wrote:
sapasion wrote:
joeblow I’m very surprised a former npc level competitor is thinking of immediately following a tren run with a deca run
I’d be surprised to find out if this guy really is who he says he is…
Reasons why:
1.) deca followed by tren for the lengths described
2.) sustanon twice a week
3.) that “pct shit” being unnecessary for this superhuman
4.) just look at any of his other posts…I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a troll
I am not going to sit here and defend myself to a bunch of guys on an anoymous message board.What I have been trying to do is to bring my extensive experience and bring a little truth into this forum. First off no one I knew who was a top competitor took off periods unless they were injured, taking a break after a contest or had another good reason. There is no reason to come off if you are set on a crtain goal such as a contest, I was taught that young and it always made sense. When you come off you simply regress. Then whwn you go back on you must catch back up. Everything I have told you is the truth. I have no reason to lie on AN ANNOYMOUS MESSAGE BOARD. THE REASON I asked about the deca after the fina is because this is the first time I have done fina. Back when I was competing the internet was not such a big thing and you could not just order up kits to make fina. No one used fina that I knew of back then. Back then all my stuff came from other competitors, guys that if I mentioned their name you would again call me a “troll”. Parabolon pretty much dissapearfed in the early 90’s unless you had a great hook up. But the last box of parabolon I saw( I belive they came in two per box 176mgsper amp)WAS PROBABLY’91. It was great stuff but the fina is compareable. So when someone tells me it may not be a good Idea to follow fina with deca then I will look into it. I will not take his comment as gospel because you same people told me not to bother with arimidex when I was getting gyno from fina. Three weeks of .25 mgs of arim a day and the gyno is gone. Explain that to me. And no I did not add or remove anything else. Also, no one told me why I should not take deca after fina. What if I stay off the fina for 4 weeks, 6 week??
I competed in the NPC from 1990-1999. In that time I never lost my class except at a npc national level show I placed 3rd, 3rd,3rd but one point from 2cnd, and 4th. I also won one overall as a middleweight at a national qualifier in Florida. I enjoyed getting ready, I enjoyed competing and I was good at it. If I had a scanner I would send a pic that would shut you up quickly, however you would probably just claim I stole the pic from someone else, right?
[quote]joeblow wrote:
World1187 wrote:
sapasion wrote:
joeblow I’m very surprised a former npc level competitor is thinking of immediately following a tren run with a deca run
I’d be surprised to find out if this guy really is who he says he is…
Reasons why:
1.) deca followed by tren for the lengths described
2.) sustanon twice a week
3.) that “pct shit” being unnecessary for this superhuman
4.) just look at any of his other posts…I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s a troll
You know what this really got me pissed because #1 I am not lying about anything(I am not clainming to even be an ifbb pro for christ sake)the only thing I said is I was prbably about a top 3-10 middleweight in the country in the late 90’s. My placings bear that out esp my nationalplacings. But I never claimed I was on my way to Mr. O. I knew I was good, yes. When I competed at smaller shows for ecperience or simply to qualify I would usually win easily. But as a middleweight those heavies and super heavies at the nationals would just crush me. The national contests of course were different and much tougher. They woul first pull you out to do simple quater turns. From just that they would cut the field to 15. When I did the USA there was 40 some guys. The guys who get sent home after quater turns do not even get to pose at all. Luckily that never happened to me, I always made the top 15. My placings at national level contests wer two 3rds,a 4th and another 3rd although that 3rd was by a single point from 2cnd.
Anyway. you guys can believe what you wish. Yeah I am some lunatic looking for validation from strangers on a annoymous message board.
The reason I asked about the deca was because before recently I had never used tren. I had seen it in the early 90’s in the white boxes with the blue writing that said parabolin and I had seen finjet but they both were gone by the time I was really using. By the early 90’s they could not be found. Back then the internet was not like today. I got all my shit from my gym not over the net and you could not order fina pellets and a kit to make it into an injectable in 1990. So tren was dead from about '91 till people started brewing the pellets. Also, remember, I retired after 1999, I had had enough and decided to go to law school. Bodybuilding was costing me more then I ever made and all my friends had nice jobs and cars. Of course I could still get the hot chicks but they did not stay for long once they found you were broke. My desire to compete now is simply for self-satisfaction. To see if I can get at least close to where I used to be. That is it I really do not even care if I place.
One more thing many of you guys told me that arimidex was worthless if you strt to develop gyno from fina. Well that is not true. After ten days of 75mgs a day of fina I was getting gyno. After 3 weeks of .25 of arimidex a day the gyno is gone. And no, nothing else was dropped or added.
[quote]Hagar wrote:
IP’s test crippled me. That shit hurts.[/quote]
I read that but I have taken two shots and been ok. Maybe I am lucky? Where did you shoot it? I went in my rear end.
[quote]joeblow wrote:
Hagar wrote:
IP’s test crippled me. That shit hurts.
I read that but I have taken two shots and been ok. Maybe I am lucky? Where did you shoot it? I went in my rear end.
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You are lucky. Some guys just have probs and some don’t. I’ve only tried their test E and I couldn’t even finish what I bought.
I agree with World. joeblow has shown nothing but ignorance. I have said a few times he needs to be booted from the forum. Troll or a complete idiot giving harmful advice.
I agree 100% with World. And i dont flame people on this board, but this guy has to go.
[quote]BMC85 wrote:
I agree with World. joeblow has shown nothing but ignorance. I have said a few times he needs to be booted from the forum. Troll or a complete idiot giving harmful advice.
I agree 100% with World. And i dont flame people on this board, but this guy has to go.
bmc
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Tell me what I have said that is ignorent. I have only told the truth. I guess a truth you do not want to believe. Listen, I really do not even like this forum because the info given here is garbage and the only reason I come here is for a little humor and to inject a bit of truth among all the bullshit. What don’t you like, that I say coming off is worthless. Well I stand by that because it is true. Of course it depends on your goals but if you want to continually progress you do not need long off periods. Do you really think these top guys take time off or even fuck with pct shit? What should I do? Forget all the years I spent training, competing, using anabolics ect. and develop the same line of bull that is espoused on this forum by everyone. Well forget that. If anyone asks me a question I answer it truthfully. And also, I guess you missed the posts where I continually tell guys they are using way too much shit and could cut back and get the same results with less sides. Now I have figured out why everyone here has the same ingrained ideas, because you chase away anyone with differing ideas. Without even considering that they may be right and you are wrong.
For the tenth time someone explain to me why I was told on this wonderful, informative forum where everyone knows everything that arimidex was worthless for fina induced gyno. Then I take .25mgs a day of the arim anyway(because I can tell that you are a bunch of clowns) and in three weeks no gyno. I added nothing but the arim and removed nothing from the cycle. So explain this bit of misinformation, or am I just making this up too?