Iodoral: Chances of Hyperthyroidism

Pharma / TRT Testosterone Replacement
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I took the advice of KSman and bought some iodoral since according to him most people are deficient. I got a blood test done recently and my TSH was at 2.48 and a year ago it was at 1.6 (0.4-4.5 range). My most recent test was a couple 4-6 weeks after finishing some nolva (4 weeks of it).

So I did some searching online and there are certain freak cases where people’s thyroids overreact to the iodine. They will take it, and their body temp goes up, everything is going great, and then they just get fucked with graves disease.

My skin is pretty dry, gets worse in the winter. I’ll get some redness/scaliness on my triceps. Have gotten some on my vastus medialus area recently on my quads.

So I’m wondering:

  1. What is the likelihood of this (i.e. developing hyperthyroidism)?
  2. Is it safe to load 50mg of iodine per day for a couple weeks like KSman recommends?
  3. What is the “maintenance” dose of iodine for the rest of your life?
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Also, having done some more research online, there is conflicting information regarding Hashimoto’s disease and iodine. Some people (including doctors) say that iodine supplementation can help.

Others say that it can worsen the situation.

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Conclusions

More than adequate or excessive iodine intake may lead to hypothyroidism and autoimmune thyroiditis.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

Conclusions

More than adequate or excessive iodine intake may lead to hypothyroidism and autoimmune thyroiditis.[/quote]

What is currently being recommended on this board is definitely a level that is higher than probably deemed “adequate” and is in the range of “excessive”.

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When doctors publish, they have to say “may” when the percieved risk might be non-zero. With inconclusive data…

OP: TSH=2.48 is after Iodoral? How many total mg’s?

If you are monitoring body temps as suggested, you are in control of this.

If one has been deficient for long enough to have thyroid producing nodules, you are already hyper and production was rate limited by low iodine levels. Does iodine replenishment [IR] cause this problem? -no. But it unmasks it. But hopefully a doc’s routine palpation of the thyroid would catch this. But with doc’s ignoring problem levels of TSH and not thinking about the role of iodine, they are responsible for many cases of iodine deficiency progressing to hyperthyroidism.

Many years ago when introducing iodized salt to deeply deficient populations, some problems were found vs stats those who were not receiving iodized salt. But the problems were also associated with IR in populations with goitres.

You should be cautious about overly broad conclusions. So how do you decide? If your body temperatures are low, is that a good way to live? An how fast to do IR? Many advocate 50mg/day if tolerate. Can you take less? Yes. Some may feel poorly is IR is displacing stored bromines. But there is only way to clear these. Clearing slower may be beneficial in some cases.

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[quote]KSman wrote:
When doctors publish, they have to say “may” when the percieved risk might be non-zero. With inconclusive data…

OP: TSH=2.48 is after Iodoral? How many total mg’s?

If you are monitoring body temps as suggested, you are in control of this.

If one has been deficient for long enough to have thyroid producing nodules, you are already hyper and production was rate limited by low iodine levels. Does iodine replenishment [IR] cause this problem? -no. But it unmasks it. But hopefully a doc’s routine palpation of the thyroid would catch this. But with doc’s ignoring problem levels of TSH and not thinking about the role of iodine, they are responsible for many cases of iodine deficiency progressing to hyperthyroidism.

Many years ago when introducing iodized salt to deeply deficient populations, some problems were found vs stats those who were not receiving iodized salt. But the problems were also associated with IR in populations with goitres.

You should be cautious about overly broad conclusions. So how do you decide? If your body temperatures are low, is that a good way to live? An how fast to do IR? Many advocate 50mg/day if tolerate. Can you take less? Yes. Some may feel poorly is IR is displacing stored bromines. But there is only way to clear these. Clearing slower may be beneficial in some cases.[/quote]

The man himself, thanks for the response.

I just started taking iodoral. The TSH is before iodoral. A little bit strange that in 2011 I had a TSH of 1.6 and in 2012 a 2.4. In between (the two tests), I did a tren ace/test prop cycle and I also ran an epistane PH cycle. The epistane cycle ended this Nov, I then did nolva and had a month between cessation of nolva and the most recent blood test (i.e. the one with a TSH of 2.4). I also had some other things checked, and my test was through the roof:

Tests:

Testosterone Total: 1202 (250-1100)
Testosterone Free: 294 (35-155)
Corisol, Free: .84
T4, Free: 1.0 (.8-1.8)
LH: 8.4 (1.5-9.3)
FSH: 6.5 (1.6-8.0)
TSH: 2.48 (0.4-4.5)
T3 Total: 91 (76-181)
SHBG: 22 (10-50)

Had a CBC along with a Comp Metabolic Panel as well if interested

My Lipid panel was pretty bad but I’m attributing this to the use of epistane (oral PH) and I suspect it probably has a similar effect to winstrol in terms of destroying lipids. I hope it will stabilize in the near future:

Cholesterol: 309 (125-200)
Triglycerides 56 (<150)
HDL: 52 (> or = 40Mg/dl)
LDL: 246 (<130)
Cholesterol:HDL Ratio: 5.9 (0-5.0)
Non-HDL Cholesterol: 257

Just want to mention once again the above results are my most recent test and it’s all prior to beginning iodoral (which I just began).

I’m taking 3 12.5mg tablets, will probably bump up to 4 if no problems. The thing is, I would rather have an optimally performing thyroid, of course. I just don’t want to take something that isn’t “optimal” and change it to “really bad” inadvertently.

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Lately, several local NMD’s have spoken out against the use of mg doses of iodine after having tried it with their patients.

Early last year I increased my iodine intake to 800 mcg for two months. During this time I put on 10 lbs of fat without changing diet or exercise. The only thing I can attribute it to was the iodine. The weight was off within two months of stopping the iodine.

I have been wanting to try mg doses in an attempt to raise my body temperature but am frankly spooked of it.

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My wife lost weight with 12.5mg for extended time.

Video does not contradict my conclusions. Video talks about iodine deficiencies but does not address how one does iodine replenishment. If you need to take .75 grams to replenish, 150mcg over 5000 days would be .75 grams, but would be washing out and do nothing.

The guy cited in the video that did high dose for months was not something that I ever suggest.

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[quote]KSman wrote:
My wife lost weight with 12.5mg for extended time.

Video does not contradict my conclusions. Video talks about iodine deficiencies but does not address how one does iodine replenishment. If you need to take .75 grams to replenish, 150mcg over 5000 days would be .75 grams, but would be washing out and do nothing.

The guy cited in the video that did high dose for months was not something that I ever suggest. [/quote]

You make a good point. The man that the speaker mentions in the video was taking 25mg/day for multiple months.

So from what I understand KSman, you recommend 50mgs/day for 14 days for IR to reach .75 grams.

After that is accomplished, do you recommend 12.5 mg/day indefinitely? What about if one were to take half that dosage (or a 4th?). Would they become deficient after a while?

It’s strange that if someone was in a video talking about how steroids will give you cancer, I wouldn’t be in the least bit phased. But for some reason with iodine, and the risk of hyperthyroidism, I start to feel uneasy.

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I take 1/2 iodoral [6.25mg] once aweek or two as a maintenance dose. Some will take more. I am not sure what the proper amounts are for maintenance. 12.5 mg/day is nuts

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This article expands on Dr. Christianson’s video I posted above.

http://blog.myintegrativehealth.com/dr-christianson-does-thyroid-presentation-in-portland

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[quote]KSman wrote:
I take 1/2 iodoral [6.25mg] once aweek or two as a maintenance dose. Some will take more. I am not sure what the proper amounts are for maintenance. 12.5 mg/day is nuts

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What is your rational in using that dosage as maintenance?

I know that there is a link:

http://home.comcast.net/~jocy1/junk/The%20Guide%20to%20Supplementing%20with%20Iodine.pdf

that talks about how Japanese women get ~14mg/day, etc, etc.

Just trying to see the reasoning behind your choice.

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Japanese iodine intake from edible seaweeds is amongst the highest in the world. Predicting the type and amount of seaweed the Japanese consume is difficult due to day-to-day meal variation and dietary differences between generations and regions. In addition, iodine content varies considerably between seaweed species, with cooking and/or processing having an influence on iodine content.

Due to all these factors, researchers frequently overestimate, or underestimate, Japanese iodine intake from seaweeds, which results in misleading and potentially dangerous diet and supplementation recommendations for people aiming to achieve the same health benefits seen by the Japanese. By combining information from dietary records, food surveys, urine iodine analysis (both spot and 24-hour samples) and seaweed iodine content, we estimate that the Japanese iodine intake–largely from seaweeds–averages 1,000-3,000 mcg/day (1-3 mg/day).

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[quote]ChrisPBacon wrote:

Japanese iodine intake from edible seaweeds is amongst the highest in the world. Predicting the type and amount of seaweed the Japanese consume is difficult due to day-to-day meal variation and dietary differences between generations and regions. In addition, iodine content varies considerably between seaweed species, with cooking and/or processing having an influence on iodine content.

Due to all these factors, researchers frequently overestimate, or underestimate, Japanese iodine intake from seaweeds, which results in misleading and potentially dangerous diet and supplementation recommendations for people aiming to achieve the same health benefits seen by the Japanese. By combining information from dietary records, food surveys, urine iodine analysis (both spot and 24-hour samples) and seaweed iodine content, we estimate that the Japanese iodine intake–largely from seaweeds–averages 1,000-3,000 mcg/day (1-3 mg/day).[/quote]

Thanks man.

Yeah I figured that dose was much too high.

6.25mg (as a maintenance dose) over 7 days is ~900mg/day which is quite high according to the particular doctor that you mentioned.

6.25mg over 14 days is ~450mg/day which is still above what the doc recommends. Although I guess results would vary.

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From what I have read, there was a study done back in the 70s listing how much seaweed the average Japanese citizen ate. The amount given was in “wet” weight. Some holistic type took this “wet” weight as “dry” weight and then extrapolated how much their iodine intake was. Of course, this was way higher than the truth.

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Half a tablet is convenient and probably sufficient. I rarely take that every week. Not saying that that is optimal.

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Been doing IR for 3 days now, just upped my dose to 50mg and I’m getting some uncomfortable pain in my lower left back.

Did some reading online and I’m seeing all sorts of stuff about detoxing, salt water flushes, people talking about how you can’t drink fluoridated water, etc.

Did you bother with any of this stuff KSman?

I may cut down the dose to 3 tabs (or as much is necessary for the pain to go away).

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[quote]Explosiv wrote:
Been doing IR for 3 days now, just upped my dose to 50mg and I’m getting some uncomfortable pain in my lower left back.[/quote]

I would be seriously worried about causing kidney damage.

“According to the University of Maryland Medical Center, iodine intake of more than 2,000 mcg per day may be toxic, especially in those with kidney disease. Over time, even smaller intake of iodine can lead to iodine toxicity when kidneys are unhealthy.”

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[quote]ChrisPBacon wrote:

[quote]Explosiv wrote:
Been doing IR for 3 days now, just upped my dose to 50mg and I’m getting some uncomfortable pain in my lower left back.[/quote]

I would be seriously worried about causing kidney damage.

“According to the University of Maryland Medical Center, iodine intake of more than 2,000 mcg per day may be toxic, especially in those with kidney disease. Over time, even smaller intake of iodine can lead to iodine toxicity when kidneys are unhealthy.”
[/quote]

Yeah, I was a bit worried that this might be the case.

Is there a particular reason why it would be only the lower left hand side and not the right as well?

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especially in those with kidney disease

That is speculation because no one has done a controlled study. There is a problem where iodine based radio-graphic contrast dyes are used and kidney failure results. In these cases the kidneys are already compromised from arterial disease processes. They then make the leap that dietary iodine and supplemental “might” do the same. Hardly what I would call hard science.

You can stop the iodine and do some urine tests etc looking for kidney function abnormalities. A kidney stone is always a co-incident possibility.