Aren’t the people who are consuming the most re$ources the baby boomers and earlier? Medicare and social security that’s almost half of our spending.
The point I’m trying to make is the OP is making a big stink about 140k and to me that’s a drop in the bucket. If we didn’t have that population we would still have the other problems that we have today.
james
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
Aren’t the people who are consuming the most re$ources the baby boomers and earlier? Medicare and social security that’s almost half of our spending.
The point I’m trying to make is the OP is making a big stink about 140k and to me that’s a drop in the bucket. If we didn’t have that population we would still have the other problems that we have today.
james[/quote]
I have no problem if it was lawful. And if the children won’t bring in various diseases and the like. Would you mind if they were all dumped in your city?
And who is supposed to raise them?
[quote]Brett620 wrote:
I have no problem if it was lawful. And if the children won’t bring in various diseases and the like. Would you mind if they were all dumped in your city?
And who is supposed to raise them?[/quote]
I’m not saying it’s right or that it isn’t a problem. I’m saying that it’s a blip on the radar.
And did you see my location? I live close enough to get the international roaming message on my cell phone from time to time. They are all dumped in my city.
james
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
Aren’t the people who are consuming the most re$ources the baby boomers and earlier? Medicare and social security that’s almost half of our spending.
The point I’m trying to make is the OP is making a big stink about 140k and to me that’s a drop in the bucket. If we didn’t have that population we would still have the other problems that we have today.
james[/quote]
My comment was more along the lines of state costs, since that is where the burden will go.
We spend $2 Billion/year on illegal immigrant healthcare in just Los Angeles alone, throw in the cost of education, welfare, incarceration, and you overwhelm the city infrastructure along with the cost of it all.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Seriously, James?
Do have some reason to doubt what seems to be a major British newspaper?
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Well, the Daily Mail is a major British newspaper much in the same way as the Nikkan Gendai is a major Japanese newspaper.[/quote]
They’re quoting Feinstein and Mikulski. They didn’t make it up:
“Senate Democrats, led by California Sen. Dianne Feinstein and Maryland Sen. Barbara Mikulski, announced Tuesday that they aim to put an additional $1 billion in play for 2015, bringing the program’s planned total to $1.94 billion.”
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
I’m saying that it’s a blip on the radar.
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This is nonsense. It’s a massive problem. Every one of those kids’ mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers and extended family members will be eligible to enter the country under the chain migration policies. The cost to the healthcare, welfare and education infrastructure will be astronomical not to mention the social costs.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
Aren’t the people who are consuming the most re$ources the baby boomers and earlier? Medicare and social security that’s almost half of our spending.
The point I’m trying to make is the OP is making a big stink about 140k and to me that’s a drop in the bucket. If we didn’t have that population we would still have the other problems that we have today.
james[/quote]
My comment was more along the lines of state costs, since that is where the burden will go.
We spend $2 Billion/year on illegal immigrant healthcare in just Los Angeles alone, throw in the cost of education, welfare, incarceration, and you overwhelm the city infrastructure along with the cost of it all.
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Have you seen a figure on the total cost to our state from the illegals?
I’d be very surprised if anyone had an actual figure although I would be very interested in seeing one. And really what we would care about would be those people who are here illegally and don’t pay for their own health care which would those who only use the ER and those who are fraudulent in their use by using another member’s card.
I imagine that would be a tough figure to actually get and anything would be a “best guess”.
james
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
I’d be very surprised if anyone had an actual figure although I would be very interested in seeing one. And really what we would care about would be those people who are here illegally and don’t pay for their own health care which would those who only use the ER and those who are fraudulent in their use by using another member’s card.
I imagine that would be a tough figure to actually get and anything would be a “best guess”.
james[/quote]
I care, because it adds to our overall costs. These are people who take a shit ton from our economy, and provide little in return.
Before I hear about people picking our produce, there are over a million illegal aliens in Los Angeles, not a single farm.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I care, because it adds to our overall costs. These are people who take a shit ton from our economy, and provide little in return.
Before I hear about people picking our produce, there are over a million illegal aliens in Los Angeles, not a single farm. [/quote]
I bet there are a lot of day laborers, house cleaners, taco stands, factory workers…
james
[quote]NorCal916 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
Aren’t the people who are consuming the most re$ources the baby boomers and earlier? Medicare and social security that’s almost half of our spending.
The point I’m trying to make is the OP is making a big stink about 140k and to me that’s a drop in the bucket. If we didn’t have that population we would still have the other problems that we have today.
james[/quote]
My comment was more along the lines of state costs, since that is where the burden will go.
We spend $2 Billion/year on illegal immigrant healthcare in just Los Angeles alone, throw in the cost of education, welfare, incarceration, and you overwhelm the city infrastructure along with the cost of it all.
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Have you seen a figure on the total cost to our state from the illegals? [/quote]
Here is an estimate that the cost to the U.S. is $100 Billion.
CA costs: $21.7 Billion as of 2009.
[quote]atypical1 wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I care, because it adds to our overall costs. These are people who take a shit ton from our economy, and provide little in return.
Before I hear about people picking our produce, there are over a million illegal aliens in Los Angeles, not a single farm. [/quote]
I bet there are a lot of day laborers, house cleaners, taco stands, factory workers…
james[/quote]
Indeed, we are losing around $7 Billion per year in tax revenue from that underground economy in California. Legalizing them will do nothing to stop this, all that will happen is the next wave of illegal aliens will be lured here.
I think you guys are missing something.
This is Mexico. A country of people who are strongly Christian that have a reputation for having very strong, clannish family bonds. If you go into Mexico there will be entire blocks owned by families, complete with small businesses, butcher shops, corn processing shops, or discotecas.
That these types of families are giving up their kids means something much scarier. It means the culture is shifting as a result of failed small economies and the families must be becoming more poor than they were before. This is complicated in that it’s probably very regional and has to do with people being displaced?
There’s a lot of shit going on down there. Some from Corruption, some from the drug wars/ fight over who supplies the U.S. with drugs and the fight over control of the 3 the drug pipelines/ veins into the U.S.
It’s just going to get worse with time. I think Mexico’s fate is tied into the U.S. We here just don’t want to see it.
Now the Repubs just put a tea party guy Brat who believes in deregulating farming. So, how the fuck are we going to be tighter on immigrants but dereg farming lol? And how the fuck does a trained economist get away with that?
Mexico and Honduras were the ones mentioned. I wonder how many of these countries are sort of vassals of the U.S.? I’m thinking nations that don’t have control of their own natural resources?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Maryland Sen. Barbara Mikulski
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Eugggg, I wish she would retire. She’s gotta be like 100 years old. Apparently she doesn’t know how to answer email either.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
I think you guys are missing something.
This is Mexico. A country of people who are strongly Christian that have a reputation for having very strong, clannish family bonds. If you go into Mexico there will be entire blocks owned by families, complete with small businesses, butcher shops, corn processing shops, or discotecas.
That these types of families are giving up their kids means something much scarier. It means the culture is shifting as a result of failed small economies and the families must be becoming more poor than they were before. This is complicated in that it’s probably very regional and has to do with people being displaced?
There’s a lot of shit going on down there. Some from Corruption, some from the drug wars/ fight over who supplies the U.S. with drugs and the fight over control of the 3 the drug pipelines/ veins into the U.S.
It’s just going to get worse with time. I think Mexico’s fate is tied into the U.S. We here just don’t want to see it.
Now the Repubs just put a tea party guy Brat who believes in deregulating farming. So, how the fuck are we going to be tighter on immigrants but dereg farming lol? And how the fuck does a trained economist get away with that? [/quote]
Hey, I’m with you that it’s a terrible humanitarian issue. It’s heartbreaking. But there are millions of kids in Africa that have it worse. Why don’t we bring them over as well? And while were at it, we can take the unwanted Chinese female babies. I mean where does it stop?
Just like we cannot police the world, we can’t be the world’s nanny. Hell, we can’t care/provide for the kids in our own country now! That’s MY point. At what point do we realize we are broke?
I myself know of kids of relatives I would take in because their situation is bad. But you know what? I don’t because I can’t provide for them.
There will be a short period where this all collapses, and our economy will be wrecked. Then everyone unemployed will be like “What the hell happened?”