[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
Give him a copy of the origin of species and the bible and let the young man decide for himself. Let him look at sources, let him see which side provides evidence. If he has access to science and religion and he believes in religion fair enough. Are you only helping him discover christianity? What about Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism etc? Have you explained to him all religions have an equal chance of being right?
My son is interested in competing in powerlifting. I’ve never competed myself and honestly haven’t ever even thought about lifting in general and I haven’t taught my son even the most basic aspects of the sport. Would you guys be able to provide some reading materials about powerlifting so my son doesn’t look like a cultural moron?
Most posters:
That’s great man. Here’s info on all the feds, technique, books to read, etc… Good luck, you seem like a cool dude for keeping an open mind with your son.
Yamato:
You really should give your son information on crossfit, Olympic lifting, and the paleo / vegan lifestyle. If he decides to be a powerlifter than fine, but I doubt he will once he reads Rich Froning’s book and experiments with WODs.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Let’s try this a different way:
OP:
My son is interested in competing in powerlifting. I’ve never competed myself and honestly haven’t ever even thought about lifting in general and I haven’t taught my son even the most basic aspects of the sport. Would you guys be able to provide some reading materials about powerlifting so my son doesn’t look like a cultural moron?
Most posters:
That’s great man. Here’s info on all the feds, technique, books to read, etc… Good luck, you seem like a cool dude for keeping an open mind with your son.
Yamato:
You really should give your son information on crossfit, Olympic lifting, and the paleo / vegan lifestyle. If he decides to be a powerlifter than fine, but I doubt he will once he reads Rich Froning’s book and experiments with WODs.
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Ha! The “paleo/vegan lifestyle”? That would be almost as contradictory as the Islamic/Hindu lifestyle.
The phrases “completely oblivious” and “utterly blinded by dogma” come to mind. [/quote]
When applied to the belief that Noah’s ark is real, the moral acceptance of god ordering ethnic cleansing in the bible and the concept of immaculate conception, those phrases might ring true.
Not when someone suggests giving his son books with scientific facts in them while also allowing a priest to make grand claims to him with no evidence for his assertions.
For someone who wants proof for claims of a political nature you sure have different ways of dealing with religious people.
That is a bias.[/quote]
I’d assume you’d teach your son about good and evil? Right and wrong? Prove those.
Or, are you going to teach both sides to the idea that the “drunk, passed out, 15 year old girl has inherent value” to your son? Or, just let him decide what is or isn’t morally acceptable in that situation based on his own studies?
Prove “keep your hands off her is morally good.”
Science and technology has nothing to say on the issue. Although they would’ve made a condom available if he does choose the no inherent evil in date rape (since he can’t measure evil) position.
Did you seriously just imply that atheists talk about their lack of faith more than christians talk about their faith? This is patently absurd.
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I’m tellin’ you, Yamato, you want to thing reeeeal hard about this “move to America and buy a piece of land in a rural area” idea. How long do you think it’ll take before you go from being known as “that English guy”, to being known as “that got-damn communist atheist Euro-trash”?
Mark my words: it will happen. And all it will take is one or two comments that seem to you quite innocuous, uttered in the presence of the wrong people.[/quote]
I’d be a “redneck cowboy ammosexual” in about 30-45 seconds in oh so civilized Europe…
This is why christians can’t talk about how science is just having faith in scientists, they have no clue what scientists teach or the facts that support it.
According to the standard Big Bang model, the universe was born during a period of inflation that began about 13.7 billion years ago. Like a rapidly expanding balloon, it swelled from a size smaller than an electron to nearly its current size within a tiny fraction of a second.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Just like no Christian believes anything like this:[/quote]
Exactly, they mock scientific hypothesis while believing that a jewish zombie arose from the dead. And they then sit there and tell you science is compatible with religion. I believe scientists might take some issue with the premise a 600 year old man was floating in an ark during a flood with two of every species crammed inside, including dinosaurs, which coexisted with humans.
Did you seriously just imply that atheists talk about their lack of faith more than christians talk about their faith? This is patently absurd.
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I’m tellin’ you, Yamato, you want to thing reeeeal hard about this “move to America and buy a piece of land in a rural area” idea. How long do you think it’ll take before you go from being known as “that English guy”, to being known as “that got-damn communist atheist Euro-trash”?
Mark my words: it will happen. And all it will take is one or two comments that seem to you quite innocuous, uttered in the presence of the wrong people.[/quote]
I’d be a “redneck cowboy ammosexual” in about 30-45 seconds in oh so civilized Europe…
Not even mad…
I’d wear my favorite shirt lol. [/quote]
Where can I buy that shirt?[/quote]
Teespring but I think it was a one off special run… Might not be able to get it.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Just like no Christian believes anything like this:[/quote]
Do not offer opinions that are counter to the accepted flying spaghetti monster theory. You’re ruining a perfectly good make fun of atheism attempt! It’s supremely rational to believe in something you can’t see! And just because you’ve never seen anyone come back to life three days later doesn’t mean you can prove it didn’t happen 2,000 years ago!
The phrases “completely oblivious” and “utterly blinded by dogma” come to mind. [/quote]
When applied to the belief that Noah’s ark is real, the moral acceptance of god ordering ethnic cleansing in the bible and the concept of immaculate conception, those phrases might ring true.
Not when someone suggests giving his son books with scientific facts in them while also allowing a priest to make grand claims to him with no evidence for his assertions.
For someone who wants proof for claims of a political nature you sure have different ways of dealing with religious people.
That is a bias.[/quote]
I’d assume you’d teach your son about good and evil? Right and wrong? Prove those.
Or, are you going to teach both sides to the idea that the “drunk, passed out, 15 year old girl has inherent value” to your son? Or, just let him decide what is or isn’t morally acceptable in that situation based on his own studies?
Prove “keep your hands off her is morally good.”
Science and technology has nothing to say on the issue. Although they would’ve made a condom available if he does choose the no inherent evil in date rape (since he can’t measure evil) position.
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I would teach my son that we are part of the animal kingdom and we have evolved to such heights we were able to use an invented moral code to increase our chances of survival. This has been written about by countless scholars and is a central premise in a scientific analysis of morality.
I believe you have heard of one such writer, Richard Dawkins ? His book on this very book is an adequate start if you want to dig into the subject.
[quote]YamatoDamashii92 wrote:
I believe scientists might take some issue [/quote]
I believe so much of your world view is made up of conjecture and assumptions based on what other people had done or said, that what you claim to believe is a worthless measure, meaningless to any sort of relevant humanity.
Also, through my wife, I’m now related to an entire extended family that counts among them quite a few scientists. One of whom works for the government and is arguably one of the smartest people in the country if not the world. Each and every single one of these people are devout Christians to the point of where they didn’t (until kid six came along and the weight of more kids was heavier than sin) use birth control.
So what you believe others would take exception to means jack and shit.
