[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
As for lucid dreaming, I looked into it a few months ago and thought it sounded interesting. I’ve been able to consciously change things in my dreams from time to time, usually simple things. But sometimes, I’m having a bad dream (i.e. death of loved one, people break into my home, etc) where at some point, I say to myself, don’t worry, its just a dream and I change things - like beating the living piss out of the intruder (like you wouldn’t be able to do in real life b/c he’d be dead). I’ve yet to master the sex thing in my dreams though, which may have some meaning, I guess.
And I had a dream last night about a bag of beef jerky - really good looking jerky. I wanted to eat it, but for some reason I couldn’t get the bag open. Can anyone interpret that? And what’s up with the dreams where you’re running for some reason (sports, cops chasing you, etc) but you are slow as hell and can’t really make any ground. What’s up with that?
And my favorite recurring dream is the test anxiety dream, where you realize that you have a final exam in a couple of hours and you haven’t even been to the class all year? I hate that one.
That’s my rambling hijack.
Have fun,
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Sex is easy man, in the dreams I mean!!! All you have to do is grab any woman… lock lips… and everything around you seems to fade away… All though you can’t really feel anything it’s interesting to see how long you can focus on anyone individual before something freaky happens.
You want to know how I wake in my dreams? I sleep with a fan on that revs up and down creating a relaxing environment that I can easily here. Apparently, this changing of fan speeds is just enough for me to stay asleep while annoying me enough to know that I’m still awake. It’s wierd but it works.
[quote]Vegita wrote:
Well most of you will probably call bullshit but you all know i’m weird anyways. Beyond interpreting dreams, is actually controlling yourself and your surroundings in them, or at least consiously experiencing them.
You know when you do this because like chris said, dreams evaporate very quickly. However, there are some dreams that we all experience that will last in our memory many many many years into the future. I have literally hundreds of dreams that I can recall and they are just as real of an experience to me as any of my childhood memories.
Some techniques for gaining consiousness and control in your dreams is to set a wake up program into your subconsious. Your subconsious will manifest whatever you think, this is why positive visulization techniques really work, it’s a fact. So before I go to bed, I repeat to myself and especially try to focus it on that little part of me that is my subconsious, that when I start dreaming, my subconsious mind is to wake up my consious mind while remaining in the dream state. Of course this is loads of fun and I have done many cool things, like flying, surfing 100 ft waves, nailing all the hottest babes etc…
There are other techniques that can be incorporated into this to enhance the quality, length and frequency of dreams and also, if you can’t remember them, there’s really no point in controlling them, so do the recorder thing like Chris said or keep a dream journal, over a month time, you will remember wayyyy more of your dreams, and in a ton more detail.
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I really hope (for your sake) that you are kidding about this. Uh, if you write down your dreams of course you will remember more of them, but the same holds for my grocery list.
How can you focus on your subconscious? Isn’t it outside of consciousness? If you are focusing on it, it is conscious.
[quote]MikeShank wrote:
jnd, are you being sarcastic? And who the hell is mazart?[/quote]
I almost forgot, subliminal advertising DOES NOT WORK, although our gov’t thinks that it is necessary to have laws preventing people from using it in their advertisements.
The reason why we move slow in our dreams like running or punching…is because we usually dream in the REM state and we’re trying to move our bodies…but since our bodies during REM are in essence, shut down, it’s kind of like trying to move when we’re paralyzed.
I really hope (for your sake) that you are kidding about this. Uh, if you write down your dreams of course you will remember more of them, but the same holds for my grocery list.
How can you focus on your subconscious? Isn’t it outside of consciousness? If you are focusing on it, it is conscious.
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Umm, yea, i’m not kidding, and just because you don’t know how to do it. Doesn’t mean it can’t be done, thats just silly. Take sports for example, when a free throw shooter is at the free throw line and is visualizing the sot going into the hoop, the exact rate of spin and the arc and velocity of the shot, he is imprinting this image onto his subconsious mind, the subconsious mind interperets this image as something that is desireable and therefore uses as much of it’s resources to help turn that image into reality. When you take a free throw, you don’t consiously control all the motor functions that happen during that shot. You have to rely on your subconsious mind to do the majority or the muscle firing sequences in order to even get the ball close to the rim. You think… “shoot ball snap wrist for follow through” your subconsiouse could be thinking this hypothetically, "right foot muscle tense 25% for stability, .003 second later shoulder girdle must rise 18% to align for appropriate angle, .001 seconds later right forearm muscle need sto fire rotationally .15 degrees counterclockwise to realign hand properly behind ball. etc… you get the point.
So by repeating to myself that when I start to dream, to “awaken into it” and visualize myself gaining consiousness in some made up dreams, I inform my subconsious that this is desireable and it does it’s job and wakes my ass up. nothin more I can tell you.
I really hope (for your sake) that you are kidding about this. Uh, if you write down your dreams of course you will remember more of them, but the same holds for my grocery list.
How can you focus on your subconscious? Isn’t it outside of consciousness? If you are focusing on it, it is conscious.
Umm, yea, i’m not kidding, and just because you don’t know how to do it. Doesn’t mean it can’t be done, thats just silly. Take sports for example, when a free throw shooter is at the free throw line and is visualizing the sot going into the hoop, the exact rate of spin and the arc and velocity of the shot, he is imprinting this image onto his subconsious mind, the subconsious mind interperets this image as something that is desireable and therefore uses as much of it’s resources to help turn that image into reality. When you take a free throw, you don’t consiously control all the motor functions that happen during that shot. You have to rely on your subconsious mind to do the majority or the muscle firing sequences in order to even get the ball close to the rim. You think… “shoot ball snap wrist for follow through” your subconsiouse could be thinking this hypothetically, "right foot muscle tense 25% for stability, .003 second later shoulder girdle must rise 18% to align for appropriate angle, .001 seconds later right forearm muscle need sto fire rotationally .15 degrees counterclockwise to realign hand properly behind ball. etc… you get the point.
So by repeating to myself that when I start to dream, to “awaken into it” and visualize myself gaining consiousness in some made up dreams, I inform my subconsious that this is desireable and it does it’s job and wakes my ass up. nothin more I can tell you.
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So why can’t Shaq’s subconscious do this? Does this mean that (insert good free-throw shooters name here) subconscious is better than Shaq’s?
2.Just because you say that this is your subconscious, doesnt’t mean that it is. Who has ever substantiated the existence of the subconscious??
So why can’t Shaq’s subconscious do this? Does this mean that (insert good free-throw shooters name here) subconscious is better than Shaq’s?
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There are sports psychologists who specialize in this sort of thing. I don’t believe Vegita said that you could make yourself flawless through such techniques, only better. So your argument is the logical equivalent of saying that if everyone who practices freethrows isn’t as good as the best person who freethrows, then practice does not work.
It is evident beyond doubt that there are processes occuring in the brain that are not consciously controlled. I’m not talking about autonomic functioning, either. To give you a trivial example, most people who drive the same route every day do not need to consciously decide when and where to turn. After learning the route, they become “unconsciously competent,” and the movements happen automatically. This is probably an evolutionary necessity; let the subconscious take care of mundane tasks, and the consciousness is alerted to details that require immediate attention, such as cars that suddenly stop in front of you.
This one I can’t follow the logic of. This is a non-sequitir… “If it is red, how can you control it?” Existing completely outside of conscious influence is not a part of the definition of the subconscious mind.
[quote]lostinthought wrote:
The reason why we move slow in our dreams like running or punching…is because we usually dream in the REM state and we’re trying to move our bodies…but since our bodies during REM are in essence, shut down, it’s kind of like trying to move when we’re paralyzed. [/quote]
I never thought of that… Damn you’re a genious. Do you take Spike!?
I once purposefully woke up from a dream of the Muhammad Ali cartoon by jumping off a cliff. Anyone who’s ever seen that cartoon should understand why.
So why can’t Shaq’s subconscious do this? Does this mean that (insert good free-throw shooters name here) subconscious is better than Shaq’s?
There are sports psychologists who specialize in this sort of thing. I don’t believe Vegita said that you could make yourself flawless through such techniques, only better. So your argument is the logical equivalent of saying that if everyone who practices freethrows isn’t as good as the best person who freethrows, then practice does not work.
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And those SP’s actually provide a VERY minute performance boost. The point I was trying to make is that if you cannot control the subconscious, then how can you improve it…
It is evident beyond doubt that there are processes occuring in the brain that are not consciously controlled. I’m not talking about autonomic functioning, either. To give you a trivial example, most people who drive the same route every day do not need to consciously decide when and where to turn. After learning the route, they become “unconsciously competent,” and the movements happen automatically. This is probably an evolutionary necessity; let the subconscious take care of mundane tasks, and the consciousness is alerted to details that require immediate attention, such as cars that suddenly stop in front of you.
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I agree that some driving follows from automatic (but not necessarily subconscious)processes. Automatic does not equal subconscious.
If it is subconscious, how can you control it?
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This one I can’t follow the logic of. This is a non-sequitir… “If it is red, how can you control it?” Existing completely outside of conscious influence is not a part of the definition of the subconscious mind.
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It’s not? Then how are you defining subconscious???
For some good info on the subconscious mind as related to sports, listen to the D-Tap with Dr. Jack in the T-Radio section on the left side of the screen. Also check this out:
[quote]tocamjapan wrote:
On topic, I read an awesome book called “The Einstein Principle”, which encourages a state of active dreaming to increase IQ and enhance congnitve abilities. Since I have been “image streaming” on a daily basis, it has “changed my life” (pardon the oft-used cliche) along with the way I think.
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That sounds like an interesting book. I checked Amazon and didn’t find it. Where’d you get it?
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That sounds like an interesting book. I checked Amazon and didn’t find it. Where’d you get it?[/quote]
Sorry, it was only after I pressed the “submit” button did I suddenly remember that I had mistyped the name of the book. It’s called “THe Einstein Factor” and its by a guy called Win Wenger. The guy has an outstanding site that lays out in detail the basics of the book and other good articles. http://www.winwenger.com/
[quote]MikeShank wrote:
does anybody know of any good books on how to do so.
I was told by a friend that dreams are a window into our subconscious mind.
I have been dreaming a ton more since I started taking ZMA and wearing breathe right strips at night. Would like to really take advantage of this opportunity.[/quote]
Funny this should come up on this website (I guess what doesn’t?!). I’ve been taking a dream interpretation class for the last four years-it’s from a Christian point of view- it doesn’t mean the “devil’s in everything” either. It just takes what the Bible says and then it expands on it and makes it more personal-which dreams really are a personal thing. I’ve really enjoyed it.
I really look at myself and the world from a differnet perspective. Dreams really are personal and have a huge emotional impact on people. I’ve looked at some of the dream books and I think the main problem with them (I’m not saying that they are bad or anything…) it’s just that dreams are so personal-what means something to one person won’t mean a thing to another.
I think it’s a way of God talking to us, as well as us talking to and sorting out ourselves and out lives. Incidentally they did some studies where they kept waking people up just before they entered the dream state-still with the same sleep as the control group-and when people weren’t allowed to dream they went almost crazy… interesteing to say the least?
I’m not meaning to highjack this thread and make this into a “God” topic. Dreams and interpretations have just become a passionate thing for me now after these four years-going once a week-a lot of time invested!
Hey Mike if you want some input-PM me…
the class I’ve taken is here in Canada but I think the website is www.samuelsmantle.com Murray Dueck had a book coming out on the subject-how to see into your own dreams etc. again might be too weird for some of you but this thread just caught my interest! My .02
[quote]Original_Demon wrote:
lostinthought wrote:
The reason why we move slow in our dreams like running or punching…is because we usually dream in the REM state and we’re trying to move our bodies…but since our bodies during REM are in essence, shut down, it’s kind of like trying to move when we’re paralyzed.
I never thought of that… Damn you’re a genious. Do you take Spike!?
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I don’t but maybe I should huh? Might make me all the more smarter.
