[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Anybody read this article from The Atlantic about ISIS? One of the best I’ve read. Obama should read it.
Utahlama posted it in the ISIS thread, and then SexMachine posted it somewhere in this thread as well.
[quote]theuofh wrote:
Interesting documentary:
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Why’d you post that in response to my post?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
This is an interesting article on ISIS in the Atlantic:
“…it considers itself a harbinger of - and headline player in - the imminent end of the world.”
Few in the West seem to know much about ISIS. Ideologically, they are related to both the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and the Saudi Ikhwan.[/quote]
Wow, interesting article. I found this paragraph especially telling:
“If we had identified the Islamic Stateâ??s intentions early, and realized that the vacuum in Syria and Iraq would give it ample space to carry them out, we might, at a minimum, have pushed Iraq to harden its border with Syria and preemptively make deals with its Sunnis. That would at least have avoided the electrifying propaganda effect created by the declaration of a caliphate just after the conquest of Iraqâ??s third-largest city. Yet, just over a year ago, Obama told The New Yorker that he considered ISIS to be al-Qaedaâ??s weaker partner. â??If a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesnâ??t make them Kobe Bryant,â?? the president said.”
And this: “One way to un-cast the Islamic Stateâ??s spell over its adherents would be to overpower it militarily and occupy the parts of Syria and Iraq now under caliphate rule. Alâ??Qaeda is ineradicable because it can survive, cockroach-like, by going underground. The Islamic State cannot. If it loses its grip on its territory in Syria and Iraq, it will cease to be a caliphate. Caliphates cannot exist as underground movements, because territorial authority is a requirement: take away its command of territory, and all those oaths of allegiance are no longer binding. Former pledges could of course continue to attack the West and behead their enemies, as freelancers. But the propaganda value of the caliphate would disappear, and with it the supposed religious duty to immigrate and serve it. If the United States were to invade, the Islamic Stateâ??s obsession with battle at Dabiq suggests that it might send vast resources there, as if in a conventional battle. If the state musters at Dabiq in full force, only to be routed, it might never recover.”
But here is another option:“The humanitarian cost of the Islamic Stateâ??s existence is high. But its threat to the United States is smaller than its all too frequent conflation with al-Qaeda would suggest.”
Just invoke the Monroe Doctrine, so to speak, and leave it alone as “not our problem.”
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Anybody read this article from The Atlantic about ISIS? One of the best I’ve read. Obama should read it.
Utahlama posted it in the ISIS thread, and then SexMachine posted it somewhere in this thread as well.[/quote]
As was pointed out. In this thread.
What about this one, did you read it?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]magick wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Anybody read this article from The Atlantic about ISIS? One of the best I’ve read. Obama should read it.
Utahlama posted it in the ISIS thread, and then SexMachine posted it somewhere in this thread as well.[/quote]
As was pointed out. In this thread.
What about this one, did you read it?
Great, GREAT article.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
As I said Sisi is a relatively moderate, secular reformist unlike Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood brothers. [/quote]
Do you think his plan of a multi-national anti-terrorist force would ever succeed? It would be nice to think it would, you know, policing their own part of the world and all, but I can’t see it happening. Soon he’ll piss someone off and go the way of Sadat, unfortunately.
On a similar note: what about the Houthi’s over running the US trained Yemeni special forces base? I feel bad for them. They fought to stay strong for six hours then the Houthi’s opened up with artillery so it seems.
How soon before it’s Al-Qaeda vs Houthi? And will the Houthis be backed by Hezbollah fighters?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Do you think his plan of a multi-national anti-terrorist force would ever succeed?
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Sounds very Tom Clancy like. Maybe it could work. If they’re serious that it.
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It would be nice to think it would, you know, policing their own part of the world and all, but I can’t see it happening. Soon he’ll piss someone off and go the way of Sadat, unfortunately.
On a similar note: what about the Houthi’s over running the US trained Yemeni special forces base? I feel bad for them. They fought to stay strong for six hours then the Houthi’s opened up with artillery so it seems.
How soon before it’s Al-Qaeda vs Houthi? And will the Houthis be backed by Hezbollah fighters?[/quote]
It is al Qaeda vs the Houthi. Ansar Islam, the main Houthi political and paramilitary organ is openly aligned with Iran and the Houthi are an important component of Iran’s powerful network of Islamist militias. This is why I’ve said Iran are dangerous. In terms of sheer numbers of fighters and international presence Iran is more of a threat to Western nation states than any of the Salafists.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
As I said Sisi is a relatively moderate, secular reformist unlike Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood brothers. [/quote]
Do you think his plan of a multi-national anti-terrorist force would ever succeed? It would be nice to think it would, you know, policing their own part of the world and all, but I can’t see it happening. Soon he’ll piss someone off and go the way of Sadat, unfortunately.
On a similar note: what about the Houthi’s over running the US trained Yemeni special forces base? I feel bad for them. They fought to stay strong for six hours then the Houthi’s opened up with artillery so it seems.
How soon before it’s Al-Qaeda vs Houthi? And will the Houthis be backed by Hezbollah fighters?[/quote]
Yeah, I think it would be super nice if the muslim nations decided enough was enough and take care of these assholes themselves. But, they haven’t been particularly concerned with it and so we’ve had to deal with it. It’d be nice to ignore it and let them deal but we cannot. Somebody has to deal with them.
Like I said, if any other religion, or non-religion had a faction with in their ranks doing what these guys do the other majority would be doing everything in their power to stop, denounce, separate and condemn the extremist freaks in their ranks.
Usually, when people try to prove that their way of thinking is superior to others, they argue about how good they are and try to convince their opponent by it’s merits. Not mulsims, nope. It’s comply or die.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]hmm87 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
[quote]hmm87 wrote:
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve always had it drilled into me that America gets far more Latinos than Muslims and won’t have the same problems as Europe. That’s bullshit. I read today during Obama’s term he brought in more Muslims than Latinos. Remember when he said “fundamentally transform?” He meant demographically folk. Barack Hussein Obama who we’re not allowed to say might have an affinity for Islam, has just quadrupled the number of Syrian “refugees” being brought into America.
And old Plugs Biden just addressed a gathering of IslamoFifthColumnists and told them not to worry because he will not stop the “wave” of Muslim immigration. Just hear now on the radio while I’m typing that it was probably 150 Christians kidnapped in Libya. Unidentified drones flying over Paris. Don’t think it isn’t coming to you in America. Barack Hussein Obama, who loves Jesus and you’re mentally ill if you say otherwise has flooded the country with hundreds of thousands of Mooselims straight from the IslamoNazi warzones in Iraq and Syria and from the African Islamic states.
Minneapolis is taken over. What’s the bet within a short time I can link to this post of mine and say look at all these terrorist attacks and plots that were carried out by “refugees” from these warzones? Days? Weeks? Obama has frigged the free world over. Him and Valerie Jarrett and all those radical kooks and sell outs have frigged us all over. None of us will be safe. They’ve got blood on their hands these swine.[/quote]
can’t tell if you’re crazy or just stupid
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Can you be bothered to explain why? Can you be bothered to capitalise the first word and place a period after the last?[/quote]
there’s nothing to explain. reading your post explains it all
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No, you need to explain it. You said nothing. Do you have a point or not? Where is the problem? What part is wrong, or dishonest? Point it out. Otherwise we have to assume you have no point and don’t know what you are talking about.[/quote]
He doesn’t. The evidence is there and is glaring.[/quote]
When I feel to lazy to make points, I just don’t post. Seems easier than using words to say nothing.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
This may indeed be ol’ VTBalla.
Both froth at the mouth incessantly.[/quote]
And it’s the same style of froth.
The more he posts, the more I’m convinced it’s him.
They’re destroying their own history. No one worships these things any more. What are they afraid of?
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Over the last few months we’ve all seen in the news the Islamic State burning people alive in cages, beheading thousands, terrorising minorities, kidnapping women and girls to be kept as slaves. We’ve seen sporadic attacks on Jews and those who have offended Islam in Europe. But what is the response from the West?
Obama and his spokespeople are engaged in a bizarre PR campaign on behalf of Islam. He’s busily telling us how moderate and wise and peaceful Islam is; how terrible things have been done in the name of Christ like Jim Crowe(?) and the crusades. He won’t even say we’re at war? What war? That’s not a war. That’s “ongoing counter-terrorism operations”. Against who? Well certainly not Muslims. Whatever group did this to a bunch of random folk are not Muslims. Of that we can be certain. And we can be certain of the terrible things done in the name of Christ. And on they go. This is a sickening word game they play to try to distract us from the true perpetrators and the true threat they pose.
And today I read that The Department of Homeland Security’s number one concern is “right-wing extremism” and “sovereign citizens”. The President tells us last week we should be more concerned about climate change than terrorism and that the media have hyped up the terrorist threat. This week the Feds are busy hunting for white Nazis or something. And of course they’re getting ready to sue the Ferguson Police. There’s a bunch of folks in the Justice Department on a crusade of their own.
Is this administration actually endangering us all with this cowardice and nonsense? Can you imagine during the last war if we weren’t allowed to name the perpetrators as Nazis and whenever they attacked us we acted as apologists for Nazism? At what stage do you need to acknowledge that you’re actually at war with mainstream Islam? Whilst Obama is busy telling us that ISIS aren’t Muslims, we all know that they are devout orthodox Sunnis whose regime imposes strict observance of mainstream Sunni practices and customs with the stern additional aspects imparted by the Wahaabis - no gravestones, cemeteries, music, shrines, tombs, etc? We are at war with a large part of the Islamic world. Survey after survey shows mainstream Muslims hold views, such as wanting sharia in the West, that are utterly incompatible with our culture and law and tradition and institutions.
One of the requirements I have for the leader of the free world is to correctly identify and articulate who we are at war with and to go after these ghouls in Syria and Iraq and everywhere else with everything at their disposal. I don’t feel at all safe with this man in the WH and his administration. I have very serious concerns about this man personally as you know and the direction of his foreign policy. Any thoughts?
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If the entire administration wasn’t riddled with Muslim Brotherhood - including Huma Abedin, Hilary’s 2IC - and the Brother-in_Chief wasn’t himself a Marxist radical we might stand a chance.
For more info re my comment see muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com
But nup.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
They’re destroying their own history. No one worships these things any more. What are they afraid of?[/quote]
Just as bad.
It’s Alexandria all over again.
What is it with religious fanatics and books?
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
They’re destroying their own history. No one worships these things any more. What are they afraid of?[/quote]
Just as bad.
It’s Alexandria all over again.
What is it with religious fanatics and books?[/quote]
Funny you mentioned that…I was going to post they are following in the footsteps of Amrou, a few days ago!
Yes. Now if we could only find a text in the Koran telling them that modern science, medicine and weapons, etc are all wrong.
Hell you already got the one guy that says this:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
What is it with religious fanatics and books?[/quote]
If they don’t destroy books, books will destroy them.
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com
An open letter to the leader of ISIS, by a handful of Muslim leaders and intellectuals.
Essentially says “Islam–you’re doing it wrong.”[/quote]
I noticed anything about hating Jews was omitted. This letter was good, now we need to hold all muslims accountable to a high level of behavior, including treatment of Jews and Israel. I am sorry, but accepting Jewish people is part of the bargain, otherwise there is no deal. It needed to be specifically addressed. [/quote]
Jews are considered “People of the Scripture” and are forbidden to be harmed per Sura al-Hajj 22:17, referenced in sections 10 and 11 of the letter.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pat wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com
An open letter to the leader of ISIS, by a handful of Muslim leaders and intellectuals.
Essentially says “Islam–you’re doing it wrong.”[/quote]
I noticed anything about hating Jews was omitted. This letter was good, now we need to hold all muslims accountable to a high level of behavior, including treatment of Jews and Israel. I am sorry, but accepting Jewish people is part of the bargain, otherwise there is no deal. It needed to be specifically addressed. [/quote]
Jews are considered “People of the Scripture” and are forbidden to be harmed per Sura al-Hajj 22:17, referenced in sections 10 and 11 of the letter.
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Well, I can’t force you to read what I wrote but I already addressed your complaint.
In a long post on page 2 I said the following:
“Now I am in no position to judge their actual religion. I don’t know it, I don’t pretend to know it and have no interest in knowing it. I am interested in how they behave and how they treat others because right now, it looks really bad. I am not talking about their religion, I am talking about them.”
So I don’t really care what the Koran says. I care about how they act when it’s hostile to other people, cities, nations, etc.