International Jihadis and the West's Response

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Anybody read this article from The Atlantic about ISIS? One of the best I’ve read. Obama should read it.

YES! I was actually going to post that a few days ago but forgot. Very good analysis. [/quote]

Much better than when I posted it on page one of this thread. Besides, when I post it it signifies my secret desire to exterminate 1.2 billion Muzzzzzlams just like the Australians wiped out the aboriginals. Same as the Christian fundamentalist crusaders who want to kill all Mooselims.[/quote]

I meant I was going to post it on the Jordan/ISIS thread but it slipped my mind, and then the thread got locked.

I always thought it would be funny if there was a diet ice cream featuring on the package a cartoon of a svelte Hereford cow in a bikini, and the brand name “MOO-Slim”.

Granted, a billion people probably wouldn’t be amused, but humour is such a subjective thing.

Sorry about the double article post. Well, what about the deal with Sisi & the Grand ImaM of Cairo? Sisi wants an arab mutinational force to combat global extremism and the Imam of Cairo says certain passages of the Koran should be edited to stop extremism. Brought that up earlier in a couple of articles myself, and no one commented on it. I think that’s important. Throws a shoe, pardon, a monkey wrench into the mix.

http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com

An open letter to the leader of ISIS, by a handful of Muslim leaders and intellectuals.

Essentially says “Islam–you’re doing it wrong.”

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]Varqanir wrote:

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Anybody read this article from The Atlantic about ISIS? One of the best I’ve read. Obama should read it.

YES! I was actually going to post that a few days ago but forgot. Very good analysis. [/quote]

Much better than when I posted it on page one of this thread. Besides, when I post it it signifies my secret desire to exterminate 1.2 billion Muzzzzzlams just like the Australians wiped out the aboriginals. Same as the Christian fundamentalist crusaders who want to kill all Mooselims.[/quote]

I meant I was going to post it on the Jordan/ISIS thread but it slipped my mind, and then the thread got locked.

I always thought it would be funny if there was a diet ice cream featuring on the package a cartoon of a svelte Hereford cow in a bikini, and the brand name “MOO-Slim”.

Granted, a billion people probably wouldn’t be amused, but humour is such a subjective thing.[/quote]

I think there was a kids’ milk drink in production early September 2001 that was cancelled after the workplace violence on 911. It was called “Moo Slim” from what I remember. You have to be very careful nowadays in marketing any many other fields where if you inadvertently offend some mad dervish or Mahdist you might find your wife’s head floating in the toilet bowl after the “holy” warriors enjoyed their spoils of war before slitting her throat. You should read some of the details of what the Mumbai attackers did. And the attack way back on tourists at Giza who were disemboweled. Or the shoppers at the mall in Nairobi. Or those Chechnyan demons at Beslan. The Chechnyans are particularly good fighters. They make up the best of ISIS who aren’t really a very capable organisation militarily. But that does not mean they’re not dangerous. Particularly if left to grow with a few pin pricks here or there. But if you try to point out some of these things you get whacky folk saying you’re an “Islamophobe”. As I’ve said before, I have more in common with and have probably had more face to face dealings with Mooselims as they do. In fact, my entire life I’ve seen my home town transformed from a working class Irish Catholic, Italian, sprinkling of Eastern Europeans into mini-Beirut. And they’ve made it a turf war. They even wage street wars against the Sunni Turks and Lebs and Kurds and the Maronites in nearby suburbs that have equally been transformed. I’ve dealt with the sons of Ishmael my whole life. The Lebanese rule the organised crime world now; even the bikie gangs. You see a lot of young Lebanese kids with stickers on their cars like the one attached.

[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Sorry about the double article post. Well, what about the deal with Sisi & the Grand ImaM of Cairo? Sisi wants an arab mutinational force to combat global extremism and the Imam of Cairo says certain passages of the Koran should be edited to stop extremism. Brought that up earlier in a couple of articles myself, and no one commented on it. I think that’s important. Throws a shoe, pardon, a monkey wrench into the mix.[/quote]

As I said Sisi is a relatively moderate, secular reformist unlike Obama’s Muslim Brotherhood brothers.

I’ve always had it drilled into me that America gets far more Latinos than Muslims and won’t have the same problems as Europe. That’s bullshit. I read today during Obama’s term he brought in more Muslims than Latinos. Remember when he said “fundamentally transform?” He meant demographically folk. Barack Hussein Obama who we’re not allowed to say might have an affinity for Islam, has just quadrupled the number of Syrian “refugees” being brought into America.

And old Plugs Biden just addressed a gathering of IslamoFifthColumnists and told them not to worry because he will not stop the “wave” of Muslim immigration. Just hear now on the radio while I’m typing that it was probably 150 Christians kidnapped in Libya. Unidentified drones flying over Paris. Don’t think it isn’t coming to you in America. Barack Hussein Obama, who loves Jesus and you’re mentally ill if you say otherwise has flooded the country with hundreds of thousands of Mooselims straight from the IslamoNazi warzones in Iraq and Syria and from the African Islamic states.

Minneapolis is taken over. What’s the bet within a short time I can link to this post of mine and say look at all these terrorist attacks and plots that were carried out by “refugees” from these warzones? Days? Weeks? Obama has frigged the free world over. Him and Valerie Jarrett and all those radical kooks and sell outs have frigged us all over. None of us will be safe. They’ve got blood on their hands these swine.

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]MattyG35 wrote:
Links?[/quote]

http://www.themediaoasis.com/hatevictims.html

What I can find immediately. Don’t have much time to dig deeper, but I would imagine the FBI thing that The Atlantic piece notes is probably the best look to dig into.

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Interesting documentary:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve always had it drilled into me that America gets far more Latinos than Muslims and won’t have the same problems as Europe. That’s bullshit. I read today during Obama’s term he brought in more Muslims than Latinos. Remember when he said “fundamentally transform?” He meant demographically folk. Barack Hussein Obama who we’re not allowed to say might have an affinity for Islam, has just quadrupled the number of Syrian “refugees” being brought into America.

And old Plugs Biden just addressed a gathering of IslamoFifthColumnists and told them not to worry because he will not stop the “wave” of Muslim immigration. Just hear now on the radio while I’m typing that it was probably 150 Christians kidnapped in Libya. Unidentified drones flying over Paris. Don’t think it isn’t coming to you in America. Barack Hussein Obama, who loves Jesus and you’re mentally ill if you say otherwise has flooded the country with hundreds of thousands of Mooselims straight from the IslamoNazi warzones in Iraq and Syria and from the African Islamic states.

Minneapolis is taken over. What’s the bet within a short time I can link to this post of mine and say look at all these terrorist attacks and plots that were carried out by “refugees” from these warzones? Days? Weeks? Obama has frigged the free world over. Him and Valerie Jarrett and all those radical kooks and sell outs have frigged us all over. None of us will be safe. They’ve got blood on their hands these swine.[/quote]

can’t tell if you’re crazy or just stupid

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve always had it drilled into me that America gets far more Latinos than Muslims and won’t have the same problems as Europe. That’s bullshit. I read today during Obama’s term he brought in more Muslims than Latinos. Remember when he said “fundamentally transform?” He meant demographically folk. Barack Hussein Obama who we’re not allowed to say might have an affinity for Islam, has just quadrupled the number of Syrian “refugees” being brought into America.

And old Plugs Biden just addressed a gathering of IslamoFifthColumnists and told them not to worry because he will not stop the “wave” of Muslim immigration. Just hear now on the radio while I’m typing that it was probably 150 Christians kidnapped in Libya. Unidentified drones flying over Paris. Don’t think it isn’t coming to you in America. Barack Hussein Obama, who loves Jesus and you’re mentally ill if you say otherwise has flooded the country with hundreds of thousands of Mooselims straight from the IslamoNazi warzones in Iraq and Syria and from the African Islamic states.

Minneapolis is taken over. What’s the bet within a short time I can link to this post of mine and say look at all these terrorist attacks and plots that were carried out by “refugees” from these warzones? Days? Weeks? Obama has frigged the free world over. Him and Valerie Jarrett and all those radical kooks and sell outs have frigged us all over. None of us will be safe. They’ve got blood on their hands these swine.[/quote]

can’t tell if you’re crazy or just stupid
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Can you be bothered to explain why? Can you be bothered to capitalise the first word and place a period after the last?

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]magick wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

The problem is simply that the administration is completely missing the point of who we are fighting and why they are fighting us. They are making shit up that has nothing to do with their motivations and trying to sell it, fortunately people aren’t buying it. [/quote]

I think it’s because the administration is worried that pointing out the legitimate religious basis of ISIS and its beliefs in Islam would cause violence against Muslims in the U.S.
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The bigotry here is so off the charts that I’m actually surprised someone pointed out the obvious.

You reactionary nutjobs really can’t see that or are just playing dumb?

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
Can you imagine during the last war if we weren’t allowed to name the perpetrators as Nazis and whenever they attacked us we acted as apologists for Nazism? [/quote]

As magick pointed out, it ain’t like the government back then was worried about people atacking the nazi community in America.

FDR did have them Japanese-American moved to internment camps, is that what you’re suggesting WE (hey if you can play American I’ll play one too) do those towel heads in America?

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Do you have anything to add? All your doing is internet forum version of shouting over everybody and making no points what so ever. If you actually read many of the posts you would know there is no bigotry at all. This thread is jumping down a rabbit hole of inquiry to get to the core of some major issues plaguing our world and our country. We are sharing information that we each discover.
Your not making any points at all. Your just yelling bullshit that has no meaning. We have a right to ask these questions. We have a right to make these inquiries in an honest way.
If doing so sounds like bigotry to you then you perhaps are not adult enough to participate.
There’s plenty of boob & pussy threads in GAL. Go knock yourself out and let grown ups talk, please.

[quote]Varqanir wrote:
http://www.lettertobaghdadi.com

An open letter to the leader of ISIS, by a handful of Muslim leaders and intellectuals.

Essentially says “Islam–you’re doing it wrong.”[/quote]

I noticed anything about hating Jews was omitted. This letter was good, now we need to hold all muslims accountable to a high level of behavior, including treatment of Jews and Israel. I am sorry, but accepting Jewish people is part of the bargain, otherwise there is no deal. It needed to be specifically addressed.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve always had it drilled into me that America gets far more Latinos than Muslims and won’t have the same problems as Europe. That’s bullshit. I read today during Obama’s term he brought in more Muslims than Latinos. Remember when he said “fundamentally transform?” He meant demographically folk. Barack Hussein Obama who we’re not allowed to say might have an affinity for Islam, has just quadrupled the number of Syrian “refugees” being brought into America.

And old Plugs Biden just addressed a gathering of IslamoFifthColumnists and told them not to worry because he will not stop the “wave” of Muslim immigration. Just hear now on the radio while I’m typing that it was probably 150 Christians kidnapped in Libya. Unidentified drones flying over Paris. Don’t think it isn’t coming to you in America. Barack Hussein Obama, who loves Jesus and you’re mentally ill if you say otherwise has flooded the country with hundreds of thousands of Mooselims straight from the IslamoNazi warzones in Iraq and Syria and from the African Islamic states.

Minneapolis is taken over. What’s the bet within a short time I can link to this post of mine and say look at all these terrorist attacks and plots that were carried out by “refugees” from these warzones? Days? Weeks? Obama has frigged the free world over. Him and Valerie Jarrett and all those radical kooks and sell outs have frigged us all over. None of us will be safe. They’ve got blood on their hands these swine.[/quote]

can’t tell if you’re crazy or just stupid
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Can you be bothered to explain why? Can you be bothered to capitalise the first word and place a period after the last?[/quote]

there’s nothing to explain. reading your post explains it all

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]hmm87 wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:
I’ve always had it drilled into me that America gets far more Latinos than Muslims and won’t have the same problems as Europe. That’s bullshit. I read today during Obama’s term he brought in more Muslims than Latinos. Remember when he said “fundamentally transform?” He meant demographically folk. Barack Hussein Obama who we’re not allowed to say might have an affinity for Islam, has just quadrupled the number of Syrian “refugees” being brought into America.

And old Plugs Biden just addressed a gathering of IslamoFifthColumnists and told them not to worry because he will not stop the “wave” of Muslim immigration. Just hear now on the radio while I’m typing that it was probably 150 Christians kidnapped in Libya. Unidentified drones flying over Paris. Don’t think it isn’t coming to you in America. Barack Hussein Obama, who loves Jesus and you’re mentally ill if you say otherwise has flooded the country with hundreds of thousands of Mooselims straight from the IslamoNazi warzones in Iraq and Syria and from the African Islamic states.

Minneapolis is taken over. What’s the bet within a short time I can link to this post of mine and say look at all these terrorist attacks and plots that were carried out by “refugees” from these warzones? Days? Weeks? Obama has frigged the free world over. Him and Valerie Jarrett and all those radical kooks and sell outs have frigged us all over. None of us will be safe. They’ve got blood on their hands these swine.[/quote]

can’t tell if you’re crazy or just stupid
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Can you be bothered to explain why? Can you be bothered to capitalise the first word and place a period after the last?[/quote]

there’s nothing to explain. reading your post explains it all
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No, you need to explain it. You said nothing. Do you have a point or not? Where is the problem? What part is wrong, or dishonest? Point it out. Otherwise we have to assume you have no point and don’t know what you are talking about.

That’s not how it works around here. This is a grown ups’ forum and discussion here. Claims must be backed up. Criticism specific and informed. So run along. The grown ups are talking.

Bad idea #5 - Honor Killings. NowI realize most muslims do not believe in this act. However, the point is that a larger number than just those we consider radicals do. This has been evidenced repeatedly by several in Britain, at least 2 that I know of in the U.S., Canada, and don’t get me started on Pakistan, it happens quite a lot there. And these people are outside the circle of what we would call the ‘extremists’.

Another interesting article:
http://ivn.us/2014/10/16/islam-mother-lode-bad-ideas-defense-sam-harris/

[quote]pat wrote:
Bad idea #5 - Honor Killings. NowI realize most muslims do not believe in this act. However, the point is that a larger number than just those we consider radicals do. This has been evidenced repeatedly by several in Britain, at least 2 that I know of in the U.S., Canada, and don’t get me started on Pakistan, it happens quite a lot there. And these people are outside the circle of what we would call the ‘extremists’.[/quote]

I have some Maronite friends I’ve known since school and their attitude to women is shocking. One guy I know well said to me once that if he found out his sister had sex with a guy he’s kill them both. I know this guy well and he was deadly serious. Sent a chill down my spine. And the thing is, although he’s wild, impulsive and violent he’s not really that bad of a guy when you get to know him. And he said the Muslims in Lebanon are much more psycho with the women. It really is a widespread problem in Arab countries. People who try to minimise it and say you’re “Islamophobic” are a big part of the problem why we aren’t doing more.

Bad Idea #6 - Destruction of Israel. This is a widely held belief among most muslims. They are universally antisemitic and view Jewish People as lower than dogs. This destructive belief is held by the vast majority of muslims. A world cannot live in peace when such a large demographic supports the destruction and killing of an entire race and religion. A world cannot negotiate, not tolerate people en masse who hold such a world view.
Islam must, unequivocally denounce this idea if it is ever to be lived with in peace.

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Bad idea #5 - Honor Killings. NowI realize most muslims do not believe in this act. However, the point is that a larger number than just those we consider radicals do. This has been evidenced repeatedly by several in Britain, at least 2 that I know of in the U.S., Canada, and don’t get me started on Pakistan, it happens quite a lot there. And these people are outside the circle of what we would call the ‘extremists’.[/quote]

I have some Maronite friends I’ve known since school and their attitude to women is shocking. One guy I know well said to me once that if he found out his sister had sex with a guy he’s kill them both. I know this guy well and he was deadly serious. Sent a chill down my spine. And the thing is, although he’s wild, impulsive and violent he’s not really that bad of a guy when you get to know him. And he said the Muslims in Lebanon are much more psycho with the women. It really is a widespread problem in Arab countries. People who try to minimise it and say you’re “Islamophobic” are a big part of the problem why we aren’t doing more.[/quote]

My wife has a muslim student in her school, who was raise partially in the ME. He’s 8 and he’s been known to let the door slam in female students and teachers faces, makes his sister carry his books, will not look teacher’s in the eyes even when being disciplined. His mother has come to the school repeatedly begging for help because he totally ignores her. Father is awol. It’s scary to see the indoctrination at such a young age.
Of course, she has not tried whipping his ass. If she wants respect from that kid, she needs to whip his ass, well. Only then will he respect her. True story though, this is going on right now.

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:
Bad idea #5 - Honor Killings. NowI realize most muslims do not believe in this act. However, the point is that a larger number than just those we consider radicals do. This has been evidenced repeatedly by several in Britain, at least 2 that I know of in the U.S., Canada, and don’t get me started on Pakistan, it happens quite a lot there. And these people are outside the circle of what we would call the ‘extremists’.[/quote]

I have some Maronite friends I’ve known since school and their attitude to women is shocking. One guy I know well said to me once that if he found out his sister had sex with a guy he’s kill them both. I know this guy well and he was deadly serious. Sent a chill down my spine. And the thing is, although he’s wild, impulsive and violent he’s not really that bad of a guy when you get to know him. And he said the Muslims in Lebanon are much more psycho with the women. It really is a widespread problem in Arab countries. People who try to minimise it and say you’re “Islamophobic” are a big part of the problem why we aren’t doing more.[/quote]

My wife has a muslim student in her school, who was raise partially in the ME. He’s 8 and he’s been known to let the door slam in female students and teachers faces, makes his sister carry his books, will not look teacher’s in the eyes even when being disciplined. His mother has come to the school repeatedly begging for help because he totally ignores her. Father is awol. It’s scary to see the indoctrination at such a young age.
Of course, she has not tried whipping his ass. If she wants respect from that kid, she needs to whip his ass, well. Only then will he respect her. True story though, this is going on right now.[/quote]

Yep. And although it’s worse with Muslims, it’s also a problem in many Christian groups in the Arab world. It’s real throwback stuff.