[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]msw1959 wrote:
It is interesting that ISIS calls itself Muslims, other Muslims call ISIS Muslims, the victims of ISIS calls them Muslims, other nations leaders call ISIS Muslims, yet only 0bama refuses to call ISIS Muslims. Why?[/quote]
The only thing that makes sense is, he is worried that people will start targeting muslims in the U.S. for payback.[/quote]
Well it’s bullshit. The thing is, as long as a powerful leader such as the President of the United States is making these bold proclamations that ISIS isn’t Islamic, the natural psychological reaction is one of vindication and separation for Muslims in general. They are being let off the hook and should they be? Perhaps. After all it’s not some Muslim in Albuquerque’s fault that these Muslims are evil and nasty and mean, but it also gives them little inspiration to fix Islam’s PR problem and it’s got one, and a big one.
If there were 1% of Christians who believed in violence, murder and evil and were carrying on, the other 99% would go nuts on them. They would decry, blast, condemn and do everything possible to not only separate themselves from the 1%, but to go on a massive campaign to show that they are not Christian. And you can remove Christian and plug in any other sort of belief demographic including Atheists, who would do much the same. Most people who hold share a belief go out of their way to show they belief is the best by doing good shit, proving they are good. Even many Atheists go out of their way to prove they can be “good” without God. In other words, every other belief system goes out their way to show that their belief is the best belief by displaying the best behavior people in their demographic have to offer. Everybody except muslims, that is.
Yes, there are moderate muslims. Yes, there are good muslims. Yes, there are some, but far to few who do condemn such things. But in a demographic that large the outcry is so faint, it’s barely audible.
Now I am in no position to judge their actual religion. I don’t know it, I don’t pretend to know it and have no interest in knowing it. I am interested in how they behave and how they treat others because right now, it looks really bad. I am not talking about their religion, I am talking about them.
Sam Harris stated on Bill Maher that Islam is the ‘mother load of bad ideas’ and he got bull whipped for saying it. This guy, as well as Maher hates all religion, but he has reason to single out Muslims. Not for their religion, but for what they do and the ideas they hold that motivate them.
Let’s look at some of these ideas and keep in mind, that most muslims are not radicalized whack jobs who want to setup a caliphate and kill everything and everybody.
And I am asking for help here as well because I don’t know the answers, but if people do have numbers to attach to the following “bad ideas” I’d like to see them.
Bad Idea #1 - Depicting or satire regarding the prophet deserves death. Now I don’t have numbers, I will try to do some more research when I have time. But from what I have read and seen, many, many more muslims that the radicals believe this or other forms of severe punishment should be implemented should you draw a picture, make fun of, or offend Mohamed in some way. I have heard percentages up into the 70 percentile range regarding this is a shared belief among muslims, radical or not. Again, looking for help to confirm some of these things.
Point is, this is a bad idea. People shouldn’t be killed or physically brutalized for expressing a picture of words that offend others.
Bad Idea #2 - Leaving Islam deserves death or some severe sort of punishment. Again, the numbers of muslims who believe this is way higher than the amount of radicals who believe and carry it out. This is a bad idea. You have a right to not like people leaving the faith, you have the right to be angry about it, you don’t have the right to kill or physically harm somebody for it. Yet this is a widely held belief among muslims from what I have read. Way more widely held than just the radicals.
Bad Idea #3 - Apostates should be killed. My understanding is that fewer muslims believe this than the previous two ideas, but still way more than just the radicals do believe it. So while it may not be as popular among muslims, many more muslims than just the radicals believe this.
Bad Idea #4 - Treatment of women. This is a big topic, so lets narrow it down to infidelity. Infidelity is a terrible thing for either spouse to do, but in islamic cultures women can get the death penalty. Others belief in harsh physical punishment for the woman who does this, but not the man. Now, this is widely practiced in islamic cultures. Again, I am not saying the “religion” itself condones this, but it’s widely practiced. There are stories almost daily of women being beaten or stoned to death for cheating. Again, a bad idea held by way more than just the radicals in the religion.
I could go on and on and on (and I will later), and I encourage you guys to come up with more. And again, I need help putting numbers to the crimes.
The point is this, we need to look at the ugly truth about the people who claim to be muslim, hold these bad ideas and do little to nothing to condemn and eradicate the cancer within itself. They are being excused and being held to an extremely low standard by the west and particularly the left. That in itself is a “bigotry of low expectations”. If we are going to expect muslims to hold other muslims to a higher standard, we need to cut the PC bullshit and hold them, all of them, moderate, liberal, conservative, and everything in between type of muslims to a high standard.
We cannot just condemn ISIS, but excuse the Saudis “'cause it’s their culture”. Bullshit. It’s bad culture.
There may be many good muslims, but we need to hold them to a higher standard than we currently do. That goes from you and me, little peons of T-Nation, to the President who goes from crowing about ‘Women’s Rights’ in India, to letting the House of Saud belittle his wife by not even shaking her hand or acknowledging her presence in Riyadh.
If I were her, he wouldn’t be getting pussy for a long time after that bullshit move.