“breakfast” on a non-training day:
3 salmon burgers
1 large sweet potato
1/2 raw red onion
a lot of steamed broccoli and mixed veggies
and for dessert:
1 cup 2% cottage cheese
2 cups halved strawberries
1 scoop whey
crushed ice
tiny bit of water
looks like hell, tastes like heaven
very nice tworkinhard. we should just whore the rest of this thread out with food porn. lol
“That sounds absolutely miserable… Lyle knows his shit though, his website is a wealth of info. Did Berkhan and Mcdonald call off their plan to co-author a book?”
The Lyle/Martin book has been called off.
[quote]uwedave wrote:
“That sounds absolutely miserable… Lyle knows his shit though, his website is a wealth of info. Did Berkhan and Mcdonald call off their plan to co-author a book?”
The Lyle/Martin book has been called off.
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where did you get this info?
“where did you get this info?”
Body Recomp website
[quote]uwedave wrote:
“where did you get this info?”
Body Recomp website[/quote]
Do you know if Martin is still writing the “16/8” book by himself.
“Do you know if Martin is still writing the “16/8” book by himself.”
No idea for sure but it is talked about as “in the works”
Martin and John Kiefer should get together for a book.
[quote]tworkinhard wrote:
looks like hell, tastes like heaven[/quote]
You aint kiddin about the first part. Looks someone barfed.
I’ve read Pilon’s eat stop eat and did a 24 hour fast, and felt great. I did it on a non-lifting day, cause I’m still tentative about no post w-o nutrition.
[quote]wolfen6920 wrote:
I’ve read Pilon’s eat stop eat and did a 24 hour fast, and felt great. I did it on a non-lifting day, cause I’m still tentative about no post w-o nutrition.[/quote]
The 16/8 approach is much better for someone who trains. Eat Stop Eat is better for someone who is sedentary. Figure out which one you are and choose you diet accordingly.
I plan on altering the fasted early morning training protocol a bit. Originally, he suggests 10g BCAA’s before and after training, and then 10g every two hours until you break the fast. Now as many of you know, BCAA’s can be very expensive. So I was thinking of replacing the BCAA’s with 2.5g of creatine before, after and every two hours after training.
Now, I understand creatine and BCAA’s are completely different, but creatine helps hydrate the muscles, provide them with energy and some research is showing it may have “some” direct effects on muscle growth. Heck, creatine has been shown to help offset degradation of muscle tissue in people with neuromuscular diseases. I highly doubt my muscles would waste away without eating for 16 hours.
Anybody else use a similar approach, or do you guys just stick to the protocol as written?
[quote]forbes wrote:
I plan on altering the fasted early morning training protocol a bit. Originally, he suggests 10g BCAA’s before and after training, and then 10g every two hours until you break the fast. Now as many of you know, BCAA’s can be very expensive. So I was thinking of replacing the BCAA’s with 2.5g of creatine before, after and every two hours after training.
Now, I understand creatine and BCAA’s are completely different, but creatine helps hydrate the muscles, provide them with energy and some research is showing it may have “some” direct effects on muscle growth. Heck, creatine has been shown to help offset degradation of muscle tissue in people with neuromuscular diseases. I highly doubt my muscles would waste away without eating for 16 hours.
Anybody else use a similar approach, or do you guys just stick to the protocol as written?[/quote]
I think Kiefer addresses this very well:
I don’t know if my link will get blocked, but its from his “Logic Does Not Apply Part 2: Breakfast” article posted on Elite FTS yesterday:
“Someone in a forum also referenced an article stating that skipping breakfast primes the body to get fat and slows fat burning, which is the opposite of the truth, but the article goes on to say that all of this can be avoided by adding some branched-chain amino acids in lieu of breakfast and suggests leucine, isoleucine and valine. This is probably a bad idea, as the amino acid leucine stimulates insulin release without the presence of glucose85-86 and may cause the same reactions as a carby breakfast.”
I simply use 50 g protein/ 65 g carbs right before training, which usually is the first meal of the day. No fasted training for this cat, I’ve done it before, and usually hit the wall in 30 minutes. Feels much better to have some protein/carbs before, and have the rest of the day’s meals be protein and fat, and some fruit.
Haven’t done this for long enough to see any real results, except I’m down 2 kg since starting a few days ago. Too early to tell, but I like it so far.
Martin writes on his site ’ no more DCD for me’…right. As if eating for 8 hours and fasting for 16 isn’t a way of control and borderline OCD?
[quote]Amonero wrote:
I simply use 50 g protein/ 65 g carbs right before training, which usually is the first meal of the day. No fasted training for this cat, I’ve done it before, and usually hit the wall in 30 minutes. Feels much better to have some protein/carbs before, and have the rest of the day’s meals be protein and fat, and some fruit.
Haven’t done this for long enough to see any real results, except I’m down 2 kg since starting a few days ago. Too early to tell, but I like it so far.
Martin writes on his site ’ no more DCD for me’…right. As if eating for 8 hours and fasting for 16 isn’t a way of control and borderline OCD?[/quote]
I think most who do 16/8 fasting and train take a whey protein with carbs an hour or so before training, then break the fast with the first solid meal post training. That’s what Ive been doing and it works well.
Anyone hit PRs in their lifts while doing this?
I tend to workout better without much food in me. Hence why I like fasted training.
[quote]forbes wrote:
I tend to workout better without much food in me. Hence why I like fasted training.[/quote]
Ditto. Feels much better to just have a shake than a full meal.
I like to experiment with making fancy shakes, current pre-workout shake is:
20 g glycerol
12- g salt
50 g whey
70 g maltodextrin
3-6 g creatine
cinnamon
a pinch of coffee for taste
in around 1 litre of water
and I’ll start adding a Creatine Extreme-product I just got for fun, with arginine, citrulline malate, BCAAs and some other EXTREME PUMPZORZ-crap. Tastes good 
It has about 200 mg of caffeine as well. Strangely, I read a study that said glucose uptake in muscle increased PWO with caffeine - which makes me think anecdotally that it could be smart to have pre-workout to help the glucose even more in getting in.
[quote]ahu2468 wrote:
Anyone hit PRs in their lifts while doing this?[/quote]
Yes, I generally feel better, so my training has been better. Hit a squat PR this week.