Intelligence Gap?


“I’m Smart, not like everyone says…I’m smart and I want respect!”

It’s nice to have a thread where people feel the need to use big words to show their intelligence.

Oh silly me, that should have been…

It is truely wonderful to have an outlet for those who employ brobdingnagian locutions to demonstrate their virtuosity in using a thesaurus.

[quote]duffyj2 wrote:
Oh silly me, that should have been…

It is truely wonderful to have an outlet for those who employ brobdingnagian locutions to demonstrate their virtuosity in using a thesaurus. [/quote]

I honestly have no idea if you made half the words up or if your language really is that fucked up.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
KombatAthlete wrote:
Can anybody else share any insight they might have about this, either from their own experience or someone you knew?

Most people are really stupid. Ponder this: 50% of people have an IQ of 100 or less. An IQ differential of only 10 points can make it almost impossible for two people to communicate.

Based on the logical reasoning present in your posts, I would say you’re easily in the top 2%. This means you will find it almost impossible to communicate beyond the most basic level with almost 90% of all people. Frustrating, 'eh?[/quote]

Lol.

I have an above average IQ and ive had teachers say to my face I have an air of superiority. So many jealous people in the world.

Fortunately, being borderline stupid, I don’t the share the OP’s social awkwardness. Finding myself in a position requiring me to talk down to others is a rarity. In fact, it’s usually the other way around. Come to think of it, perhaps that’s why I have a good many friends…I make them all seem genius in any coversation where I’m a participant. Realizing the possibility only now, I’m not sure I like that at all.

[quote]Sloth wrote:
Fortunately, being borderline stupid, I don’t the share the OP’s social awkwardness. Finding myself in a position requiring me to talk down to others is a rarity. In fact, it’s usually the other way around. Come to think of it, perhaps that’s why I have a good many friends…I make them all seem genius in any coversation where I’m a participant. Realizing the possibility only now, I’m not sure I like that at all.[/quote]

Yet you wrote an entire paragraph without making a tit of yourself, so rest assured you’re smarter than 90% of people on the internet.

lol i love how every post here is someone trying to use big words to make some sort point that they dont even understand themselves,

you are all smart cookies indeed

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
Well obviously not compared to you. Oh well.

I could come up with a witty comeback but it’s not really worth it. You’re just some old geezer who has nothing better to do than flex their one and only muscle on an internet forum, when it’s obvious your outright attacks on people is just a sign of loneliness and a cry for help.

I have enough charity cases to deal with without worrying if I’m impressing you.

How’s that for an independent thought?

By the way- why don’t you have an avatar? Is the whole system just too confusing for you? I can show you how to upload a picture if you need help.

Your post is self-contradictory, and indicates you have a less-than-stellar IQ. E.g., you write: “You’re just some old geezer who has nothing better to do than flex their one and only muscle on an internet forum .” This implies I have “mental muscle.”

You then write: “Instead of using your obvious god-given intelligence for good, you troll around on forums trying to make people think you’re smart. I don’t think anyone around here is buying it.”

Which is it? Do I have this “one muscle,” or don’t I?
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The statement that the earlier post is self-contradictory pre-supposes that intelligence and smarts are the same thing. Are they? (Not endorsing nor condemning the earlier post; just questioning the claim that it is self-contradictory.)

Dear OP,

I know exactly what you’re talking about.

It’s frustrating to say the least.

ElbowStrike

[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:

And my high school years worked out more than fine. As I now prepare to end my school career, I couldn’t be happier about these last four years of my life. I made a very wide group of friends and am very close to a few of them.

But let this thread teach you something, something very important that I think a lot of people don’t realize. People at the upper-end of the Bell Curve may be brilliant but they are deviants, psychological outliers who are dissimilar to a large majority of people. Being very smart also makes you very weird. You can sometimes manage to compensate for this, but sometimes you can’t, and it takes its toll. For example, J. Robert Oppenheimer, the genius who brought us the atom bomb and saved (or killed, depending on how you twist it) millions of lives, grew up without any close friends and hardly left his house/dorm. He had ferocious bouts of depression. In essence, he lived in a bitter and cold isolation from many of the people whose lives he saved. And this scenario results, in part, from attitudes like those displayed on this thread.
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I’m glad it went well after all. I know (through observation, not experience) that being in the exceptional range can feel isolating. Certainly it’s frustrating, particularly in the early school years before AP and honors classes begin to offer some relief from repetition.

I suspect college will be an intensely enjoyable experience for you. I hope so!

[quote]
KombatAthlete wrote:

But let this thread teach you something, something very important that I think a lot of people don’t realize. People at the upper-end of the Bell Curve may be brilliant but they are deviants, psychological outliers who are dissimilar to a large majority of people. Being very smart also makes you very weird.[/quote]

Hallelujah!

It also makes finding a girlfriend very difficult, as for any meaningful relationship to develop she needs to at least be in the upper quartile. That eliminates a good 95% of females.

Then, when you do find one, she’s so equally jaded about men that it takes a lot of time and effort to break through her barriers – but it’s always worth it in the end.

(puns not intended)

It takes time and effort to “learn” how to socialize with the “normies” (thank you to “The Simpsons” for that one), but I’ve found doing so also takes away from the time you’d usually spend on creative work. Make sure you find a balance otherwise you’ll find yourself drained and dissatisfied.

That reminds me: I have an instructable(.com) to go tinker with in the garage. :slight_smile:

Churchill and many other prominent political leaders suffered from ferocious bouts of depression as well. For anyone who can relate to this I highly recommend reading “The Van Gogh Blues”.

I’ve also heard that “The Drama of the Gifted Child” can be helpful, but I haven’t read it yet.

The Oppenheimer comment reminds me of my college days in “Physical Education”. I came in eager to learn everything there was to know about kinesiology. What I got was a curriculum not only out of date, but deliberately dumbed-down so that the athletes on the college teams could have a no-brainer, no-effort academic program to justify their continuing enrollment.

It goes without saying that the majority of my class-mates were idiots. In terms of the campus intelligence-pool, the inhabitants of the Faculty of Physical Education and Recreation were the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel.

As well, our professors had no real achievements of their own, routinely plagiarized their lectures from articles I could easily find on MedLine, and spouted anti-protein, pro-Canada-Food-Guide, a-calorie-is-a-calorie bullshit. At the end of it I talked to one of the professors, who’d actually had a challenging course – hallelujah!!! – about it and she recommended I go for my Master’s.

Go for my Master’s? I’d already paid those goddamn people tens of thousands of dollars and I was given a playschool-level education. What makes them think I would trust that their Master’s program would be any different?

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
I’m glad it went well after all. I know (through observation, not experience) that being in the exceptional range can feel isolating. Certainly it’s frustrating, particularly in the early school years before AP and honors classes begin to offer some relief from repetition.[/quote]

Heh heh. During my middle and high school years, the administrators thought it’d be a good idea to “distribute” the honours and first-class honour-roll kids throughout all the other classes evenly. Apparently this strategy was supposed to “bring up” the other students, whereas instead it just held all the advanced kids back.

It wasn’t until a large number of parents banded together and threatened to transfer their kids to another school (you can choose your kid’s school in Canada, and schools are given funding based on student performance – losing a ton of the “smart” kids would be a disaster for revenue) that they started to implement AP classes.

OP, you will enjoy college/university so much more than high school (granted you take an academically challenging discipline like engineering, for example), and since the student body encompasses the top 40-50% of the general population (in terms of intelligence) that means there’s about twice as many top-5% outliers such as yourself to seek out.

Good luck!

ElbowStrike

[quote]ElbowStrike wrote:
It also makes finding a girlfriend very difficult, as for any meaningful relationship to develop she needs to at least be in the upper quartile. That eliminates a good 95% of females.
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Hmm:
If the above is literally true, then only 5% of the females are in the top quartile. Assuming the difference in the quantity of males and the quantity of females is negligible, 5% of the female population is 2.5% of the overall population.

The top quartile of the overall population is the top 25%, assuming words mean something other than blabbedy-blah-bullcrap. 25% minus 2.5% = 22.5%. So the other 22.5/25ths of the top quartile must come from the male population. 22.5% of the overall population, such that the 22.5% is composed entirely of males, is 45% of the male population.

That would mean 5% of the females are in the top quartile while 45% of the males are in the top quartile.

Yes, I understand there are more male outliers than female outliers, but 45% vs. 5% for the top quartile? This seems extremely unlikely.

[quote]
ElbowStrike wrote:
It also makes finding a girlfriend very difficult, as for any meaningful relationship to develop she needs to at least be in the upper quartile. That eliminates a good 95% of females.[/quote]

Don’t forget the fact that the OP is so douchey that an additional 4.5% will think he is a silly little shit stain.

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
An IQ differential of only 10 points can make it almost impossible for two people to communicate.
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This is not true, unless there is an additional factor of arrogance involved. And the arrogance can be on the part of either party.

Party ‘A’ with higher intelligence can arrogantly consider Party ‘B’ of lesser intelligence to be sub-human when ‘B’ is not easily familiar with relatively difficult words and concepts that ‘A’ quickly tosses out in conversation.

On the other hand, ‘B’ can arrogantly assume that his own intelligence is the “right” level, and dismiss ‘A’ as a brainiac freak when ‘A’ inadvertently says something that goes over ‘B’'s head. And then when ‘A’ reacts to this by being more cautious and basic in his remarks or explanations, ‘B’ can take offense because ‘A’ is supposedly treating him like an idiot.

I think more often than not, inability to communicate because of a difference in intelligence just comes down to one or both parties being assholes.

Here I am not commenting on the original post in this thread, because that post referred to a feeling of isolation, which is not necessarily the same thing as difficulty communicating. Here I am commenting specifically on the notion that an IQ differential of 10 points can make it almost impossible to communicate.

Alright dude I thought I had this and then I did some traveling. Americans are fucking idiots. Go to another country and you will not experience this problem.

Secondly, you are in high school, as am I. Most high schoolers are morons.

Don’t flatter yourself and read lots of books.

[quote]'Nuff Said. wrote:
What would you say if I said I discount TV period. NOT just animateed shows. Would you guys say FAmily guy and Simposns are even halfway as good as Hekel And JEkel or Underdog or Even The Herculoids ? If yes then something is wrong with YOU. Very wrong.

  • 'Nuff Said.[/quote]
    Very little of anything is halfway as good as Underdog.

[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
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Value IS an inherent quality and failure to assign it subjectively is a sure indicator of stupidity, arrogance or both.

How can value be simultaneously inherent and assigned subjectively? The first implies that it is an objective quality. The second implies that it must be determined on an individual (and thus subjective) basis.[/quote]

Inherent, objective value is “assigned” subjectively in the sense that it is estimated subjectively, based on one’s perception of its objective existence. The assignment is done in one’s mind and/or in one’s communication. Thusly can value be simultaneously inherent and assigned subjectively.

[quote]Imen de Naars wrote:
Just go to college, you’ll know smart people. If you really are fixated about this stuff as I was, write down the names of the people in the top 2 percentile of the admission test to the college you’re going at, and try to befriend them. That’s what I did, out of curiosity. Yeah, I was in tht 2 percent.

However, keep in mind that after 2 days of hanging out with them you’ll be bored as fuck by their intellectualism, and you’re going to hang out back with your old “dumb” bros because, in the end, going out trying to catch pussy is what counts for the fun, not talking about philosophy.

Philosophy books are good only to impress girls and to get nice grades.

Swearing matches, that’s what smarts are for, and witty comebacks. None of the bullshit that people try to teach you, like working etc.

Now, rest in peace.[/quote]

Well said.

/end thread

[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
People at the upper-end of the Bell Curve may be brilliant …
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People at the far right-hand side of the Bell Curve are brilliant, in a certain sense of the word. People on the upper end are average. You’re holding your graph sideways, sonny.

No it doesn’t, although there might be a small correlation.