Intelligence Gap?

[quote]Scott aka Rice wrote:
Anyone else tired of people complaining about good genetics? One guy gets hypertrophy too fast, and now this guy is far too intelligent to converse with the common folk. What’s next?

“Someone help! I’m too good at multiple sports and I don’t know which one I should go pro.”

The only time I’ve ever “dumbed down” was on a date with a ditsy girl (sue me). People make friends out of common interests, whether that is sports, chess, or what-have-you. The intelligence gap should sort itself out unless you’re being a complete poser and douchebag by trying to merge into another group of which you clearly shouldn’t be a part. Trust me, those people aren’t that clever socially and tend to appear as the odd man out.

Another point

You cannot possibly be as intelligent as you think you are because of your vanity to display your superior intellect. As we all know, trolls are hermits in nature and hide under bridges and other unseen areas.[/quote]

How about:

“Ever since I was a small boy,I have had trouble fitting in with my athletic peers.The problem only got worse as I got older,till now, when I can’t even shower with my team members because…my dick is too damm big.My massive 13 inch baton has not only caused me to feel isolated from my fellow man,but also from all of the female gender,as they run in fear whenever it is unveiled in all its glory.
Does anyone know of any surgical procedure that may exist to lose some unwated inches there?”

I agree with you,the whole “It’s so hard being so special woe is me” thing is just so tired…

Oh,and I forgot to add:

“Does anyone else have this problem too?”

You need to get off that cross,son,somebody needs the wood.

[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
“I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance”
Socrates

“Think not those faithful who praise all thy words and actions; but those who kindly reprove thy faults”
Socrates

I think that both apply to the discussion at hand, but the second quote is the one that the OP should really pay attention to.

Kombatathlete,

The reason that this thread has gone on so long and hasn’t seemed to really get anywhere is because you have failed to realize that the people responding to you, even the ones doing so in a brash and/or abrasive manner, are trying to help you.

They are trying to point out, or “reprove”, a fault that everyone but you seems to see. Yet, you don’t seem to want to humble yourself to realize this. So, you have been stubbornly trying to defend and deny that you have this fault. You seem to want to convince us, and more importantly yourself, that your problems arise from your superior intelligence and that it couldn’t possibly be the result of poor communication skills, or perhaps the fact that none of your friends are interested in the same things as you, etc…

Then, when someone makes a really good point you seem to be like “yes, I already knew that”.

This reminds me of the story of the student who goes to learn from the old master (I know you may have heard it before, but by the chance that you haven’t I’ll briefly tell it)

The young student goes to the old master and says, “Master, please teach me”.

The master accepts and proceeds to teach the student. But, every time the master starts to teach something the student interrupts with, “yes, I already knew that.”

So, eventually the master simply stops teaching and begins to poor the student some tea. Only he doesn’t stop when the tea cup becomes full and the tea begins to overflow out of the cup.

The student yells, “Hey! You’re pouring tea all over the place!”

To which the master replies, “Yes. But if you do not first empty your cup; how can you taste my cup of tea?”

I know, I know. This story has become somewhat of a cliche. But it really illustrates what is going on in this thread. Your cup is full, so to speak, and you are unwilling to empty it and “taste” the tea (advice) that older more experienced people are offering you. Yet, you chose to come here and post this thread, thus suggesting that you were looking for guidance.

If you expected to get a verbal pat on the back, or something along the lines of, “yup, looks like you’re just too damn smart. Maybe we should all just bow down to you and make you our king”, or maybe, “Yeah, we all have that problem too, why don’t you come join our SuperBraniacs club”; you’re in the wrong place. People here are honest, sometimes brutally honest.

But that’s why this is such a great place to come; because people here will tell you the truth, no sugar coating involved. We’re not here to inflate each others’ egos or perpetuate each others’ dellusions. But rather to give each other honest advice, suggestions, and/or opinions.

Do you see how ridiculous every one of those responses would have been? And yet, you seem to have gotten angry that people have been completely honest with you in their responses. That is what you should have been hoping for in the first place. And truthfully, there has been a lot of good advice/quotes on this thread that if applied will greatly help you out.

See, at least in my opinion, stupidity isn’t a function of IQ. It’s actually more a fuction of humility.

What I mean is that a person who has a low IQ, but is very humble can learn. They can improve themselves and adapt, thus becoming “smarter”. But, a person who has a high IQ and is very arrogant and unwilling to humble themselves to the fact that they might just not know it all (though perhaps initially at a higher intelligence level), can’t improve.

Why? Because they think they already know it all. Therefore, it is they who are actually the “stupid” ones, as they will stand less of a chance of surviving so to speak.

That is what I believe Socrates meant with the first quote that I posted. If you are in that place of humility where you just outright admit to yourself that you "know nothing"then your cup will be empty and you will be able to grow, learn, and improve yourself.

I know that this is a tough thing to do, at any age, and especially at your age as you have yet to actually get out into the real world yet and therefore don’t really have any real world experience to call upon. But trust me, and the many others who have been trying to help you out so far, you need to stop thinking that you know it all.

You need to stop thinking that everyone else is the problem. They’re not. The problem has to do with you. If you honestly do some self reflection, and really read back through many of the posts on this thread, you’ll figure out what that problem is. Then, it’s up to you to apply the knowledge that you have gained and fix it.

Good luck and good training,

Sentoguy [/quote]

I understand you’re point (not that that doesn’t fit in with what you’ve just said above). But the most ironic thing about this was that I never started this thread to prove I was intelligent, to be told I was intelligent, or anything along those lines. I simply asked if anybody had a similar experience or could relate to what I described, not for a validation of my intelligence or what I said. I really don’t know why I even posted 1/2 of my replies. Nevertheless, the replies were interesting and this thread is still alive a month after it was created.

Upon re-reading everything a month after it was created, the intonation of what I said was not what I thought it was when I typed it. A lot of the responses I got were wise and helpful, but a lot of them were responses to assumptions other people made based on their own experiences with people that they think are like me.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’m much more impressed by someone who does all they can with what they have than I am with someone who’s clearly intelligent, but intellectually lazy and undisciplined.[/quote]

Supposedly Richard Feynman’s IQ was in the mid 130’s…he did all right for not being in the genius range…

Kombat Athelete… I was like you once. Then I got into university, and I became religious. Thats when I discovered I was wrong, I met a ton of people who can think on equal terms as me, as well as professors who of course are highly versed in their respective fields.

Sure I can think better about issues a lot more than most people, and I know a lot more about some stuff than most people do, but that means nothing.

I can easily explain where I get my intellectuality from. Firstly, my religion makes sure I’m very introspective, and also aware of everything and everyone around me. You gain an astounding amount of thinking ability and knowledge from that.

Secondly, the courses I’m taking in university like cosmology, astronomy, ecology, botany, evolution etc all have to do with extremely complex, hypothetical and abstract situations. This means that I’m capable of a great range of thought, as things like political science, anthropology and economics take their part in those courses as well.

Lastly, I’m a LOT healthier than the vast majority of people in my year. I follow a paleo diet(metabolic typed), warrior-diet and I lift and whatnot. Thats rare for a university student. I may be able to think better and know more than my peers because of this.

Lesson: There is no intelligence gap. You simply feel superior because you may know a bit more at your age than others. Plus its normal at our age to feel this way.

You have a LOT left to learn bro. Don’t let arrogance get in the way of you learning more.

[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:

I understand you’re point (not that that doesn’t fit in with what you’ve just said above). But the most ironic thing about this was that I never started this thread to prove I was intelligent, to be told I was intelligent, or anything along those lines. I simply asked if anybody had a similar experience or could relate to what I described, not for a validation of my intelligence or what I said. I really don’t know why I even posted 1/2 of my replies. Nevertheless, the replies were interesting and this thread is still alive a month after it was created.

Upon re-reading everything a month after it was created, the intonation of what I said was not what I thought it was when I typed it. A lot of the responses I got were wise and helpful, but a lot of them were responses to assumptions other people made based on their own experiences with people that they think are like me.
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KombatAthlete,

Stop it, seriously. You have just done exactly what I pointed out that you have been doing (and even noticed it yourself). You say, “I understand your point”, but then go on to continue to defend and deny your actions.

Clearly, from your original feelings of being socially removed, your responses to people’s attempts to help you, and your inability to realize the intonation of your posts, you have communication issues. That and quite possibly a lack of social intelligence.

In one of your posts you wrote:
“If someone’s pudding is their contribution to an Internet forum then I feel bad for that person.”

Then in another you wrote:
“I find it odd that people I have never even had a conversation with know how smart I am.”

See, what you don’t seem to understand is that an Internet forum is a form of conversation, and communication. The only difference is that it allows you the luxury and time to really gather your thoughts and arrange them in the most clear and concise way possible.

If you can’t even manage to communicate well in this medium, then I highly doubt that you are adept at doing it “on the fly” in a real time conversation. In all probability it points to a blatant lack of communication skills.

That is most likely the source of your feelings of social isolation, not your self proclaimed supergenius. Also, as I suggested earlier, your inability to communicate with people on a “deeper” level could be for many reasons other than an “intelligence gap”.

Your friends might just find the things that interest you boring, or uninteresting, and therefore don’t choose to think about and/or research them. That doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re smarter than them.

For instance, I have a friend who is a wiz when it come to computers. He didn’t even graduate from highschool, but joined the Navy and went into intelligence, graduated #1 in his class and got to name his assignment. He can run circles around me in a conversation about quantum physics, but, I can run circles around him in a conversation about exercise science. Does that make either or us smarter than the other? No. Does it mean that because of our different interests that we are socially isolated? No.

In regards to people who were responding “to assumptions based on their own experiences with people that they think are like me.” You are still very much in denial. While a few people tried to use illustrations and experiences from their lives to try to make their points and/or relate to your situation; many were in direct response to what YOU have written. Stop trying to remove yourself from the responsiblity which you need to take for your actions.

You are a young, naive, inexperienced kid. Yes, perhaps you have a high academic IQ, but as many have pointed out there is a lot more to intelligence than just being able to win a Trivial Pursuit game. You need to spend some serious time developing yourself in the other areas of your life. Identify your weaknesses and work on improving them. But you must, must, stop trying to run away from your weaknesses by pretending that it’s due to some “intelligence gap”.

Good luck and good training,

Sentoguy

[quote]Professor X wrote:
This thread is not about the philosophy of Ayn Rand. Therefore, no, I will not go into some long drawn out discussion in this thread about Ayn Rand. I could care less about Ayn Rand. You have the freedom to start new threads like the 3,000 new ones you have in the political forum. Start your own thread about Ayn Rand if you wish but why try to completely change the subject of this one?[/quote]

Evading, as always. This young man has legitimate concerns. He feels out of touch with other people, because he is smarter than they are. I warned him that these others will eventually attempt to use him as a barrier between themselves and reality. He’ll become convinced by them that the needs of others or of the community supercedes his own. Their code of morality will be used as a weapon against him…and you don’t think that’s relevant?

You continually mouth sentiments about how society should be forced to help the needy — never realizing (or, worse, perhaps you do) that this means enslavement of the intelligent and ambitious to serve the needs of those who are neither.

Not relevant? Sheeessshhhh…

[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
I hate to potentially sound like the cockiest person alive, but this is an Internet forum after-all.

Does anyone else feel like their unusually high intelligence makes them removed from society, in the sense that you feel separated from just about everyone else you know?

I have noticed this more and more about myself the older I grow (I’m in high school), and although it’s not a bad problem to have, it is a little troubling emotionally. It’s like I’m just not on the same playing field as everyone else. Keep in mind that I have a normal social life and am atheltic so I don’t feel removed simply due to being wierd.

Can anybody else share any insight they might have about this, either from their own experience or someone you knew?[/quote]

you will grow
and you’ll understand that there are people smarter than you and that you are smarter than other.

Also you’ll understand how a powerfull weapon is a smarter mind…

[quote]jjblaze wrote:
Funny thing is, though, even the most ridiculously stupid people tend to fancy themselves as more intelligent than their peers.

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That is one of the most striking things about people with IQs in the range of 80 to 90 is their strong belief that they are more clever than everyone else around them.

Writing as a guy who is fifty, and relatively smart, I find that the older I get, the more engaging almost everyone is.

But yes, it can be isolating when you are just a kid. But everything feels isolating to kids, being smart just controls the face that the feeling of isolation has, not the teenaged angst of isolation.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Evading, as always. This young man has legitimate concerns. He feels out of touch with other people, because he is smarter than they are. I warned him that these others will eventually attempt to use him as a barrier between themselves and reality. He’ll become convinced by them that the needs of others or of the community supercedes his own. Their code of morality will be used as a weapon against him…and you don’t think that’s relevant? (emphasis mine)
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I think I wish I had your gift of prophecy. With all that detailed foreknowledge of what will and won’t happen to someone I know only as a bunch of words on a computer screen my money problems would be over.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
He’ll become convinced by them that the needs of others or of the community supercedes his own. Their code of morality will be used as a weapon against him…and you don’t think that’s relevant?
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It didn’t sound like he was asking for a political philosophy, now that you mention it.

[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
I understand you’re point (not that that doesn’t fit in with what you’ve just said above). But the most ironic thing about this was that I never started this thread to prove I was intelligent, to be told I was intelligent, or anything along those lines. I simply asked if anybody had a similar experience or could relate to what I described, not for a validation of my intelligence or what I said. I really don’t know why I even posted 1/2 of my replies. Nevertheless, the replies were interesting and this thread is still alive a month after it was created.

Upon re-reading everything a month after it was created, the intonation of what I said was not what I thought it was when I typed it. A lot of the responses I got were wise and helpful, but a lot of them were responses to assumptions other people made based on their own experiences with people that they think are like me.
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There’s no way someone of superior intellect wrote the above post.

If this poorly written bable is indicative of your communication abilities it’s no wonder you’re having problems relating to other people.

If the post above was all I had to judge of your mental capabilities, I’d conclude that you’re an idiot.

I tried fixing your gibberish up a bit. Alas, a polished piece of shit is still a piece of shit.

Here you go, feel free to rewrite this turd into something other than nonsense:

I understand your point, not that it doesn’t fit in with what you’ve said above. The most ironic thing about this is I never started this thread to prove I was intelligent, to be told I was intelligent, or anything along those lines. I simply asked if anybody has had a similar experience or could relate to what I described, not for validation of my intelligence or what I typed. I really don’t know why I posted half my replies. Nevertheless, the replies were interesting and this thread is still alive a month after it was created.

I reread this thread a month after I created it. What I typed wasn’t what I originally intended. A lot of the responses I received were wise and helpful, but many of them were assumptions other people made based on their own experiences with people they think are like me.

[quote]endgamer711 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
He’ll become convinced by them that the needs of others or of the community supercedes his own. Their code of morality will be used as a weapon against him…and you don’t think that’s relevant?

It didn’t sound like he was asking for a political philosophy, now that you mention it.
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The herd uses the intelligent and ambitious by ‘milking’ them, so to speak. It uses unselfishness (altruism) to do this. Just trying to help the kid know what he’s in for…

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
endgamer711 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
He’ll become convinced by them that the needs of others or of the community supercedes his own. Their code of morality will be used as a weapon against him…and you don’t think that’s relevant?

It didn’t sound like he was asking for a political philosophy, now that you mention it.

The herd uses the intelligent and ambitious by ‘milking’ them, so to speak. It uses unselfishness (altruism) to do this. Just trying to help the kid know what he’s in for…

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Without altruism the “herd” would not exist. Without the herd the individual would not exist.

United we stand, divided we fall.

No man is an island.

If you’re extremely intelligent and your specialty is English, how do you explain that short story you posted a couple weeks ago?

Just go to college, you’ll know smart people. If you really are fixated about this stuff as I was, write down the names of the people in the top 2 percentile of the admission test to the college you’re going at, and try to befriend them. That’s what I did, out of curiosity. Yeah, I was in tht 2 percent.

However, keep in mind that after 2 days of hanging out with them you’ll be bored as fuck by their intellectualism, and you’re going to hang out back with your old “dumb” bros because, in the end, going out trying to catch pussy is what counts for the fun, not talking about philosophy.

Philosophy books are good only to impress girls and to get nice grades.

Swearing matches, that’s what smarts are for, and witty comebacks. None of the bullshit that people try to teach you, like working etc.

Now, rest in peace.

[quote]Imen de Naars wrote:
in the end, going out trying to catch pussy is what counts for the fun, not talking about philosophy.

Philosophy books are good only to impress girls and to get nice grades.
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This was the wisest and most realistic thing written in this thread.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
endgamer711 wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
He’ll become convinced by them that the needs of others or of the community supercedes his own. Their code of morality will be used as a weapon against him…and you don’t think that’s relevant?

It didn’t sound like he was asking for a political philosophy, now that you mention it.

The herd uses the intelligent and ambitious by ‘milking’ them, so to speak. It uses unselfishness (altruism) to do this. Just trying to help the kid know what he’s in for…

Without altruism the “herd” would not exist. Without the herd the individual would not exist.

United we stand, divided we fall.

No man is an island.[/quote]

That’s interesting, Zap. I don’t want to do a hijack though.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
That’s interesting, Zap. I don’t want to do a hijack though.
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I await the inception of the Ayn Rand thread with bated breath.

KombatAthlete,

Your problem isn’t intelligence, it’s that your friends don’t have the same interests.

In highschool, I had a buddy who flunked math twice and who was a HUGE pro wrestling fan, but he was a good writer with impeccable grammar and he read about a book a night. I was more into miscellanous computer and science stuff, so I couldn’t “talk shop” with him (and vice versa), but it had nothing to do with our respective intelligences.

I have a friend who’s a “self-taught” jazz pianist and another who’s classically trained. They have difficulty talking to each other about music, because one is all about structure and theory and the other is all about feeling and timing.

Einstein was known to enjoy conversation with all kinds of people (and none of them even close to as smart as he was). Obviously they were nothing like his famous, friendly arguments with Neils Bohr, but a guy doesn’t always want to talk shop.

I like foreign films, I was talking to someone who doesn’t get them at all, and likes Jim Carey and Adam Sandler movies. But when we switched to the topic of training and nutrition we had a much better and more interesting conversation.

Highschool kids tend to just want to fit in and go with flow. When you’re in college, you’ll run into more people with whom you could share your interests.

I’m not saying that you aren’t smarter than your friends, I’m just saying that’s its probably not the (or the only) reason that you have difficulty communicating with them.