Insufflation (Snorting) Dbol - Trip Report

This is a cautionary post.

Isochroma is a disturbed individual, he lacks any scientific background and is prone to hyperbole and playing fast and easy with his health and life.

Some background:
About 5 years ago Isochroma became a big name on the nutrition sites like bodybuilding, longecity, others. He began posting rambling monologues extolling the virtues of piracetam. These expostulations were not within a normal range, they extended to declaring himself a God, that piracetam was a miracle molecule and that he had transcended normal human life. His neurotic nature led him to begin contacting Chinese chemical companies directly, after having set up a fake company on Alibaba (still in existence), through which he sought to accumulate giant vats of Piracetam, stockpiling it in fear the government would take it away. His manic nature expanded to the point of a fullblown manic episode, on the site longecity he began threatening murder and hacking of the site and its owners if they would not remove every one of his previous posts. They eventually complied to indulge this obviously sick individual. It is difficult now to search back on that forum for his previous outlandish posts, but you can occassionaly run across them posted under “Guest_Isochroma”.

When next Isochroma reappeared, his next big discovery was monosodium glutamate. This became his next rant-material, speaking at length about how he was going to stockpile MSG from the grocery store and swallow vast amounts as a way to make Piracetam work for him again.

Next, if you will look through the ‘famous’ Longecity “Isochromas Racetam Price List” (google it), you will find a very revealing post dated to last January or February. In this post he reveals a story of a friend turning upon him, calling the police and telling them that he had threatened murder upon him. The police jailed him over this. His post attempts to brush the entire episode away as not his fault, but any attentive reader would see that the post rings a bit hollow and there is more to that story than he is letting on. He spent the next while homeless, contemplating suicide. The reason he became homeless was because he is on welfare in Canada and because he was in jail for over a month he was unable to obtain his welfare cheque and therefore unable to pay his rent and therefore was evicted. He is currently in the process of attempting to obtain chemicals from Chinese chemical cos that will serve as suicide pills, as he portends that every nuclear power plant in the world will soon explode creating an armageddon like scenario.

While I’m wary to post all of this personal information on here, because it’s not nice to shame someone publically like this. I think in the interests of peoples HEALTH, it’s important they realize who they are reading. For a person who has no scientific background, coming to this thread, they may be seduced by some of its grandiose language. This is very dangerous. Do not expect for a minute that taking dianabol as prescribed upon this thread will recreate the grandiose delusional effects which this individual is suggesting will happen. These posts may appear logical, well-thought-out at times, but at the end of the day, the science is junk science, the reality of which is obscured by the vast postings of pubmed articles.

If you can derive useful information out of this thread then that is great, but don’t be seduced by an insane false prophet, listen to your own better sense and remember, stick to FACTS, not snake oil miracle cures.

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^^^^What is surprising is that he didn’t change his screen name. Here’s a link if anyone wants to see Isochroma’s old rants.

wow.

Still I can’t help but feel people are immediately having an adverse reaction to this thread just on the concept of “snorting” as if intranasal admin was somehow worse than swallowing or injecting an unverified substance into your body.

In fact, he is right in this; many future TRT application in the pipeline are intranasal products. There exists a fair amount of literature on intranasal administration of testosterone and other androgens.

So in that alone, it is not outlandish as some may think.

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
wow.

Still I can’t help but feel people are immediately having an adverse reaction to this thread just on the concept of “snorting” as if intranasal admin was somehow worse than swallowing or injecting an unverified substance into your body.

In fact, he is right in this; many future TRT application in the pipeline are intranasal products. There exists a fair amount of literature on intranasal administration of testosterone and other androgens.

So in that alone, it is not outlandish as some may think.[/quote]

What he is proposing here may not be outlandish at all, I can’t say I’ve read through the contents and links of every one of his posts here, I don’t have time for that. Problem I see is that I’m sure there are many others who don’t have the time to in-depth study those pubmed links and cross reference them with what he’s saying to assess validity either. Combine that with someone claiming life-changing dramatic effects from a little-studied method and I’d consider that a dangerous combination. We are talking about a guy who gleefully swallows many grams worth of chemicals which have not even been tested on mice yet, let alone humans, (Sunifiram for instance, one of his latest fad super-molecules), which have been purchased from sketchy chinese chemical companies willing to ship to unverified businesses. I know if I were even thinking of following the advice of such a person I’d be sure to do a massive amount of my own research first, and I hope anyone else will do likewise.

Here’s an interesting post of not too long ago, showing the state of mind of the poster:

[quote]magjessica wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
wow.

Still I can’t help but feel people are immediately having an adverse reaction to this thread just on the concept of “snorting” as if intranasal admin was somehow worse than swallowing or injecting an unverified substance into your body.

In fact, he is right in this; many future TRT application in the pipeline are intranasal products. There exists a fair amount of literature on intranasal administration of testosterone and other androgens.

So in that alone, it is not outlandish as some may think.[/quote]

What he is proposing here may not be outlandish at all, I can’t say I’ve read through the contents and links of every one of his posts here, I don’t have time for that. Problem I see is that I’m sure there are many others who don’t have the time to in-depth study those pubmed links and cross reference them with what he’s saying to assess validity either. Combine that with someone claiming life-changing dramatic effects from a little-studied method and I’d consider that a dangerous combination. We are talking about a guy who gleefully swallows many grams worth of chemicals which have not even been tested on mice yet, let alone humans, (Sunifiram for instance, one of his latest fad super-molecules), which have been purchased from sketchy chinese chemical companies willing to ship to unverified businesses. I know if I were even thinking of following the advice of such a person I’d be sure to do a massive amount of my own research first, and I hope anyone else will do likewise.

Here’s an interesting post of not too long ago, showing the state of mind of the poster:

Sure thats reasonable.

But I should also point out that many users on this forum inject preparations that are essentially from the same places you speak of: chinese chemical manufacturers willing to ship to unverified clients. I would bet large amounts of money that 9/10 steroid users here have never had their products verified by adequate measures, instead placing trust in their supplier, be it a dealer, friend or an overseas chemical manufacturer.

So while his history is definitely alarming, and I do think the fanciful writings of purported mental effects from snorting dbol is exaggerated, all I’m trying to reiterate, perhaps like a broken record now, is that intranasal administration is in no way more harmful than the practice of injecting drugs.

I would agree its foolish for anyone to take this with anything less than a grain of salt.

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]magjessica wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
wow.

Still I can’t help but feel people are immediately having an adverse reaction to this thread just on the concept of “snorting” as if intranasal admin was somehow worse than swallowing or injecting an unverified substance into your body.

In fact, he is right in this; many future TRT application in the pipeline are intranasal products. There exists a fair amount of literature on intranasal administration of testosterone and other androgens.

So in that alone, it is not outlandish as some may think.[/quote]

What he is proposing here may not be outlandish at all, I can’t say I’ve read through the contents and links of every one of his posts here, I don’t have time for that. Problem I see is that I’m sure there are many others who don’t have the time to in-depth study those pubmed links and cross reference them with what he’s saying to assess validity either. Combine that with someone claiming life-changing dramatic effects from a little-studied method and I’d consider that a dangerous combination. We are talking about a guy who gleefully swallows many grams worth of chemicals which have not even been tested on mice yet, let alone humans, (Sunifiram for instance, one of his latest fad super-molecules), which have been purchased from sketchy chinese chemical companies willing to ship to unverified businesses. I know if I were even thinking of following the advice of such a person I’d be sure to do a massive amount of my own research first, and I hope anyone else will do likewise.

Here’s an interesting post of not too long ago, showing the state of mind of the poster:

Sure thats reasonable.

But I should also point out that many users on this forum inject preparations that are essentially from the same places you speak of: chinese chemical manufacturers willing to ship to unverified clients. I would bet large amounts of money that 9/10 steroid users here have never had their products verified by adequate measures, instead placing trust in their supplier, be it a dealer, friend or an overseas chemical manufacturer.

So while his history is definitely alarming, and I do think the fanciful writings of purported mental effects from snorting dbol is exaggerated, all I’m trying to reiterate, perhaps like a broken record now, is that intranasal administration is in no way more harmful than the practice of injecting drugs.

I would agree its foolish for anyone to take this with anything less than a grain of salt.[/quote]

Taking things which have been studied properly, even if you have to get them from blackmarket sources is one thing. Taking molecules which have not even undergone any trials on mice yet, is quite another. I’m sure there might be some on this site who would however inject some new ‘mystery molecule’ with promises of life-changing results… but I would discourage that sort of behaviour. Then again, I don’t know what the purported purpose of this site is, if it is ‘get large at all costs’ then maybe taking mystery molecules would be appropriate. I sometimes forget that others are willing to gamble with their health.

Thirty years ago some people felt messing with growth hormone was pretty scary.Look at the huge array of peps some people are using.Some will take the chance.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP. Called it

[quote]statemachine wrote:
Thirty years ago some people felt messing with growth hormone was pretty scary.Look at the huge array of peps some people are using.Some will take the chance.[/quote]

I’m sympathetic to those in competitive sports/bodybuilding, it’s almost admirable in some ways, the obsessive drive to compete, to risk all for your chosen goals. Less sympathy, more concern, for skinny 18 year old who doesn’t want to take the time or put in the effort to understand healthy ways to make his body more attractive to the opposite sex. Even less sympathy and can’t say much concern, for a welfare leech using my/our money to self-experiment upon himself with no clear goal outside of his deranged hyperbolic experiences. I don’t hate Isochroma, or even dislike him, I think he’s a crook and really does more harm to himself than others. But I’ve also seem people being influenced by him, in the past it was innocent all in good fun, people buying more Piracetam based upon his mass-postings on how piracetam will give you God-like abilities (for anyone who has taken piracetam, we can all share a lol at that). When he’s now dealing with powerful hormones and research chemicals, people just need us adults around to provide some grains of salt, for the more influencable amongst us.

Ok, so basically all people have done is toss links around and nobody has completed the simple, obvious action of just trying the dianabol and posting back?? There is an infinite amount of difference between things read on a page and things that happen in the body, the difference between theory and practice. I’m going to try it out and reply back on whether I get the same experience as Iso.

(i)People put too much faith in these verified scientific studies. Every study has an agenda/point of view. In nutrition they can’t seem to get anything right, a given food is “proven” good for you one day and "bad " the next. Rats are not humans. No human is the same. There are numerous factors which could affect the success of any substance.

(ii)The human body is simply too complex for anything other than n-1 self testing. Everybody is different so the only sane thing is to try it out.

(iii) I’m actually a little awestruck of the mans intellect. I have read through his posts in longe city etc and he just crushs any arguments given against him. While he is suicidal and clearly half insane(read through his other posts) , many of the greatest minds often were.

(iv)If he was to go through the procedures of getting a phd, getting his work published etc as one reader suggested it would be simply too slow and bureaucratic. He wouldn’t make any progress, is too intelligent for the conventional education system which I would guess would simply slow him down. In the same way it takes him a while to post scientific links, I’m guessing a lot of the it’s just tedious for him to find references for things he instinctively knows.

(v) There is no reason to simply be “normal” or “ok” or just get rid of existing symtons. Like body-building , strive to get better at all times in cognitive and spiritual health. Stay within the confines of safe and normal and you will be nothing other than safe and ordinary.

ND: The arrogance of peoplo who discredit something/call BS on something which they have no personal experience of is just a sign of their own incredible level of ignorance and insecurity.

Now, while his posting of piracetam giving god like abilities has raised my skeptometer(would you mind a link, can’t locate it) I’ll take the “gamble” of 7 mg of dianabol, just to clarify.

2 cents from the more influencable of us:)

Welcome back Isochroma.

I just skimmed this thread but it was painfully obvious to me from the very first post that this guy was bipolar and in a manic phase. I’m not a psychiatrist but as an internal medicine doc I’ve dealt with a lot of manic patients and this guy’s writing style is just textbook manic.

I’m a new member here, so don’t think I’m isochroma coming back. However I did read every post in this thread, and a few others in the longevity site. But my point is, this guy seems to present a valid argument. To to it off, he’s refuted earlier conclusions. Despite the experience being limited to himself, he does reference studies that back up his method á being valid and safe. Therefore my conclusion is that it’s worth a try just to see if the mental feeling of well being experience is similar.

It’s a shame that this thread ended. Why have none of the naysayers tried it?

Yeah most people are just dreadfully insecure, notice no-one really argues about the subject content of what he says, as they realise they’d get their asses handed to them.

Yes, he is suicidal and manic and needs help, and obviously this should not be thought of as a cure all, but on the face of it, TRT is on the rise as he predicted and this does seem like an excellent way to avoid the drawbacks of traditional TRT. And no-one has done anything to refute his arguments except call him out on his history and say"your not being scientific enough".

One possible reason is that pure dianabol is dreadfully hard to obtain. You can get practically any T steroid on darkmarkets except dbol powder.

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:

[quote]Hook24 wrote:

[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
But he already made it clear he had mistakenly not mentioned he was using nootropics as well, not that the dbol was causing such effects.

I can only think people are labelling him addict because of the association of nasal administration with addictive drugs. That being the case, just remember some people think TRT users are “druggies” for using needles, yeah? If it were plain oral administration of dianabol, I cant think that the response would be the same.

Correct me if I’m wrong but the idea of using synthetic androgens as being possibly advantageous over testosterone in HRT isn’t exactly a new idea? One that just hasn’t been explored to any great depth because of the massive amounts of red tape and politics most doctors find themselves in?[/quote]

Davo, Have you read this thread? If you had any experience/contact with illicit drug users you would see the shocking similarities. To say that people are labeling him an am addict because he snorts the Dbol is ridiculous. Read the thread man.[/quote]

I read the thread mate, the same attitude is given by people when they read steroid users reports.

Most steroid users literally fit all the DSM criteria for addictive substance abuse behavior, but I don’t treat them as “addicts” or “druggies”.
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It sounds like he likes it because it makes him feel like he is on speed. That is probably what critics are responding to.

I think it’S still a valuable thread and Isochroma is fine by the way.
You can find Isochroma on Reddit.
His current regimen is:
Noopept: 50mg x 5 / Day = 250mg / Day Total
Aniracetam: 1.2g x 5 / Day = 6g / Day Total
Piracetam: 6.5g x 5 / Day = 32.5g / Day Total

  • 45mg DXM and 21 mg Melatonin at night.

What i would like to know, what kind of things he has actually done or achieved during this snorting episode, because i know tons of supplements that give me better vision or make me feel good or smart, but i don’t get anything done.