Insomnia Since Starting TRT

Like @enackers I just read everything. Then the fog clears a little and you add to that the experience first-hand of what happens. The thinking clears up a lot when the levels are good.

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Im hoping to get there soon bro. I’m learning a lot from you guys

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You need to learn how to stop worrying. No joke. You must put into practice meditation and clearing of the mind. I would also learn how to put things into proportion.

What can I control? Ok now what can I do to fix the problem. Now let me put these in order and knock them out.

If I can not control something I jsut need to believe that and say Fuck it. All the thinking in the world will not fix that problem. I simply need to avoid this issues next time.

Right now I have every reason to freak out.

  1. I’m getting a divorce.
  2. Wife’s lying saying I’m being violent. Wants me out of house. Wants me to pay for house and an apartment.i have a kid.
  3. Paying lawyer.
  4. Business ups and downs
  5. Have so much work to do
  6. Have another business to work on.
  7. Got a baby girl I don’t want to lose.
  8. Bills.
  9. Bills.
  10. More bills.
  11. Tax irs shit
    13 oh and more nonsense I could list out

Lolll

Yah I have anxiety but i don’t let it take over my life to the point where it’s physical. Sleep is an issue when I think to much at night. So I sit up and let go of my fears because they aren’t going anywhere when I sleep. Deal with it tomorrow: now is my repreieve. No sleep and I won’t have time off from my stress. Or I turn on a YouTube talk and listen until my minds off the life I’m so worried about.

I believe in a higher power and trust everything happens as it should. I can only do my best.that helps a ton.

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Ok, so my anxiety is riculously high, I’ve been a complete mess, the test enanthate has kicked in after 5 weeks and I know I’ve been taking too much. I looked up high dopamine and this is definitely me…

Agitation: Those with high dopamine may feel internally restless and overstimulated. While sufficient dopamine can actually help some people stay calm, abnormally high levels can make a person feel internally nervous and knotted. It may be difficult to sit still for long periods of time.
Anxiety: Some people may feel more anxious when dopamine levels increase in certain parts of the brain. This may be due to dopaminergic receptor dysfunction as well as the specific areas of the brain that experience the dopamine elevations. This is generally why some people with anxiety disorders feel more anxious with dopamine reuptake inhibitors (DRIs).

… I need to come down off this high, it’s been a week since my last shot and I’m scared to have another :frowning:

Yesterday I had a lower dose of Enanthate, a few hours later I start with throbbing headache, burning up and nauseas. It’s definitely a reaction to the Enanthate, I’m beginning to think it’s an allergic reaction, I feel awful, scared to take any more.

Hmm I’ve been following (and contributing) to this thread for a while. I’ve got my own set of issues with health, some of which mirror your own. While I do believe that Test levels can contribute to anxiety and sleep issues, I feel you have done sufficient experimentation with your dosage and protocol to eliminate Test / Estrogen as being the primary cause of your problems. If your issues were strongly related to your Test dosage then you would have observed significant change in well-being/sleep/anxiety from the modifications you’ve made. From what I can glean, the different dosages have had marginal effect on your condition. This makes me think that your problems lie elsewhere.

I am still trying to identify the root cause of my insomnia (I can only sleep for 4 hours most nights, and I wake up very stimulated and aroused without the usual post-sleep hangover that I used to experience). While high Test levels seem to make this worse for me, I think that there are other issues at play. It is important to not obsess over what you are going through, and to lead an active and rewarding life (to the extent you can). This requires you to go out and participate in life fully, regardless of how you are feeling. Over time, this will move attention away from how you feel, which may reduce the psychological arousal and anxiety you experience over your health. It may be that your body will eventually self-correct without you needing to take any drugs or supps.

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It is unlikely a reaction to enanthate. Some people react to the oil used for the suspension, but yours is not the common reaction. Have you tried some 5-HTP? Or even melatonin?

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My situation is getting worse, I have all over body aches and pains. the doctor thinks its all anxiety and stress related. I have hit an all time low, I can’t see how I can get on with life when i fell so physically ill constantly, I’m not living but merely existing. I travel to Orlando Florida on Monday and I am dreading it, I feel far to ill to travel but I have to do this for my 2 daughters. I really don’t know what to do to get well. It seemed I was making progress on the Sustanon but then I added an SSRI which really f****d me up so I had to stop, then I switched to Enanthate which I wished I would not have done, its thrown my body out further. My brain is going through a roller coaster of events and I need to stabilise and stop adding different chemicals to the mix!

I spoke with a steroid expert yesterday, he is really educated on the subject. He says I have taken too much and reacted badly to it, he has seen it a thousand times. He went on to say that my body cannot handle large amounts and I should just take small amounts to tick over. Whether its the Ester or the oil, I feel horrendous every time I shoot the Enanthate. I am switching back to Sustanon which I know doesnt make me feel ill.

… yes I tried 5-htp and melatonin, they both made me feel weird :-/

isn’t your new dose rather low - putting you within normal parameters? If so, how could this be the cause of your serious side effects, unless or course you’re allergic to the oil itself (but you’ve switched a few times so theory also seems unlikely).

I feel there is undue focus on your sex hormones as being the problem.

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Hi mate, it’s test flu, my body doesn’t like the foreign substance I am putting in my body and is reacting to it, whether it’s the Ester or the oil, it’s definitely the Enanthate.

I’m switching back to Sustanon as I know I can tolerate it.

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Try staying strong man…

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Yeah bro, I’ve been strong for the last 17 years, I am strong… this is just another bad phase of my life, it helps to offload…

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Hey mate - how have you been travelling ?

I’m having some wild sleep problems (still!) which I can’t seem to resolve. They do seem hormonal.

The other idea I have is that I’ve conditioned my brain to fear sleeping. Thus my body will only allow me to sleep the bare minimum necessary to function. But I’m just guessing here - I’m thinking about seeing an endo about these issues as I don’t feel my mindset is the problem…

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Hi mate, nice to hear from you.
My situation is no better unfortunately, I’m averaging 3-5 hours per night, some nights I lay awake all night. I did get a little bit of stability but then the jet lag from my visit to the US totally screwed thongs back up for me.

I have since been to see an ENT specialist, apparently I have collapsed nostrils when I breathe in through my nose, he plans to operate although this is the least of my problems but could well explain my headaches after exercise.

I have been trying to refrain from posting unless I have something positive to report, which I don’t at the moment. I feel like I am becoming a massive burden on everybody.

I’m currently on yet another protocol with the Sustanon as I had a terrible reaction to the Enanthate. I feel awful, sick and tired… is this normal when you change protocols?

Do you think you could be allergic to the oil? I know I could not tolerate Sustanon - but I didn’t feel sick from it, I just developed a massive red lump from the injection site. I moved to Test E and do not have any reaction from the oil.

It’s hard to think that your sleeping problems are due to the nostril collapse, particularly when you have nights where you don’t sleep at all.

I’m focusing in on the culprit being the release of too much stress hormone at night (cortisol, I suspect). Cortisol levels are typically tested via the blood (I’ve had an AM cortisol test before, which came back normal) and it isn’t possible, outside of a hospital setting, to have PM cortisol tested. Saliva cortisol tests are apparently unreliable.

This is such a tricky thing to solve!!

It’s called Test Flu. It happens. Google it and you’ll find a lot of info.

I’m changing protocols so often my body doesn’t know what’s going on, I think it’s test flu, adjustment period, I just need to ride it out and stick to a protocol.

I think my sleep problems are hormonal but also anxiety related, I’ve kinda made sleep a problem in my head so I worry about not being able to sleep or waking up after only a couple of hours, I think there’s so much more to it than it just being a physical problem. I did a 4 step cortisol saliva test and it came back normal although I do carry a lot of stress, I literally worry about everything!

Whatever it is, I see no easy fix, I just need to find a balance where I can accept the problem and get on with life although this is easy said than done when you have to function on no sleep.

I would be interested to hear any developments at your end, so please keep in touch.